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PostPosted: 20:52 - 26 Jan 2020    Post subject: This is a monumental shift. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:45 - 26 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hilarious! Good find Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 26 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then this. I kind of watched this guy, doing his thing almost as if it was a tiresome duty and couldn't wait to get the fuck away. That lent it a certain kind of authenticity. Then the whole lot becomes normalised in the brain (maybe because I've been into this shit for decades) and it's "meh, so fucking what, gimme pizza, bikes and sex".

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Like, what's the essential difference between whizzing around in the clouds in the astral form and on the roads on a bike? Whoopee fucking doo. I've tinkered with the astral stuff and had some very odd experiences and also my whole DMT journey down the rabbit hole...I'm not sure if any of it is worth the candle.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Errrr... no Smile I got about 2 mins in.

"Astrally projected 30,000 times" makes one wonder if he has time to do anything else! (I'm minded the film Avatar where the character spends so much time in his alter-ego he almost starves to death back in the real world.)

How about an OBE in the ladies changing rooms? Can one wank on the ethereal plane? Answer this crucial questions and you might gain some credibility, Pane Very Happy Kewl take though, to poke about Area 51 so to speak. I'm sure the audience lapped it up.

I've just finished watch "Altered Carbon" and that made me think more on the practical nature of the soul than any of these snake oil merchants.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Errrr... no Smile I got about 2 mins in.

"Astrally projected 30,000 times" makes one wonder if he has time to do anything else! (I'm minded the film Avatar where the character spends so much time in his alter-ego he almost starves to death back in the real world.)

How about an OBE in the ladies changing rooms? Can one wank on the ethereal plane? Answer this crucial questions and you might gain some credibility, Pane Very Happy Kewl take though, to poke about Area 51 so to speak. I'm sure the audience lapped it up.

I've just finished watch "Altered Carbon" and that made me think more on the practical nature of the soul than any of these snake oil merchants.


It's possible he's having lucid dreams but thinks they're real. But would you visit area 51 and then go spouting about what you'd seen in public? I wouldn't talk about any of it actually, who needs that kind of attention (unless selling shedloads of books off the back of it, lol).

But, the first vid, proof that the Bosnian pyramid is at least 25,000 years old. WTF! That's the entire established history of the human race down the shitter.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

He lost me when he did the bit about pointing at the '60s encyclopedia and saying "if it ain't in here it don't exist" Shocked Nobody does that.

I remember seeing an archaeology assistant on the Joe Rogan show and he was spitting chips over all the conspiracy theorists slagging the profession off - big crossover here between creationists and nut jobs - when the reality is a lot of dedicated, meticulous work (by people probably well on the spectrum) for very little money and seemingly no thanks.

Finding Tutankhamen's tomb intact was important as it gave a real snapshot of ancient history. Things like Stonehenge and this pyramid are nowhere near as interesting. Lot's of stones arranged in a ring? Kewl! What does it tell us about the people who built it? Fuck all really Sad
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He lost me when he did the bit about pointing at the '60s encyclopedia and saying "if it ain't in here it don't exist" Shocked Nobody does that.

I remember seeing an archaeology assistant on the Joe Rogan show and he was spitting chips over all the conspiracy theorists slagging the profession off - big crossover here between creationists and nut jobs - when the reality is a lot of dedicated, meticulous work (by people probably well on the spectrum) for very little money and seemingly no thanks.

Finding Tutankhamen's tomb intact was important as it gave a real snapshot of ancient history. Things like Stonehenge and this pyramid are nowhere near as interesting. Lot's of stones arranged in a ring? Kewl! What does it tell us about the people who built it? Fuck all really Sad


He was making the point that some other archeologists had said "if it's not in these reference books it doesn't exist".

I think you've missed the point about it being 25k years old though. The whole of humanity was supposed to be living in caves and hunting with sticks and flint only 14k years ago, not building energy-generating complex structures seven times bigger than the pyramid of Giza.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above links contaminated my youtube feed with flat earth and nutjob conspiracy theory content.

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PostPosted: 19:20 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The above links contaminated my youtube feed with flat earth and nutjob conspiracy theory content.

Private browsing from now on.


I watch that sort of stuff anyway. Cheers me up no end Wink

25,000 years ago... it's a bit of a stretch but not inconceivable. Tool use began before modern humans even existed and the important one - art - 50 to 100,000 years ago. Once you have those two things anything is possible.

"But all the history books will need to be torn up!" okay, but they do that every day anyway that's sorta the whole point of archaeology, hell! science in general, to discover new things. Why would you bother digging things up if you either knew what you would find or wouldn't want to find something new?

That's why I don't buy into all this grand conspiracy mumbo-jumbo. Real conspiracies are rather more mundane. FFS, top-secret "pain of death" government agencies and mafia types can't keep a lid on stuff, what hope some old crusties from the archaeology department?
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're prepared to believe that monumental shite you've got to be a religious nut job too. Why would you believe one and not the other? They're hills!
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-mystery-of-bosnias-ancient-pyramids-148990462/
Interesting nationalist angle.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you're prepared to believe that monumental shite you've got to be a religious nut job too. Why would you believe one and not the other? They're hills!
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-mystery-of-bosnias-ancient-pyramids-148990462/
Interesting nationalist angle.


Yep. They're flatirons, a naturally occurring geological feature.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you're prepared to believe that monumental shite you've got to be a religious nut job too. Why would you believe one and not the other? They're hills!
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-mystery-of-bosnias-ancient-pyramids-148990462/
Interesting nationalist angle.


Yep. They're flatirons, a naturally occurring geological feature.


Lol. I suggest you watch the first video, though cognitive dissonance is a bitch. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yep. They're flatirons, a naturally occurring geological feature.


Lol. I suggest you watch the first video, though cognitive dissonance is a bitch. Mr. Green


Life's too short for conspiracy theories. The local geology is sandstone, clay, and conglomerate - hard and soft strata. Classical geology for flatiron formation - nothing that interesting geologically speaking.

Here's a slightly more extreme example:

https://oneilcastro.com/gallery/upload/2018/08/28/20180828120627-de96ccd0.jpg
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Why the fuck must it be a "conspiracy theory"? If a thousand years from now some archaeologist finds an Anderson shelter when the accepted knowledge is there were never any wars in 'pre-history', it would be a 'conspiracy theory'? A massive pyramid has been found in Bosnia and conclusively dated to at least 25k years old. The proof isn't open to debate, its shell is formed of multiple layers of concrete slabs, tested in numerous labs around the world (for error-redundancy). The thing is real, genuine, proven. It has miles of tunnels and chambers under the base and more in levels rising to the top. You think they built them in an ancient-stylee as a hoax?! Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's really freaky is 5000 years back (they carbon-dated organic matter in the material) some civilisation back-filled the tunnels/passages right to the roof. WTF!!!
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 27 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why the fuck must it be a "conspiracy theory"? If a thousand years from now some archaeologist finds an Anderson shelter when the accepted knowledge is there were never any wars in 'pre-history', it would be a 'conspiracy theory'? A massive pyramid has been found in Bosnia and conclusively dated to at least 25k years old. The proof isn't open to debate, its shell is formed of multiple layers of concrete slabs, tested in numerous labs around the world (for error-redundancy). The thing is real, genuine, proven. It has miles of tunnels and chambers under the base and more in levels rising to the top. You think they built them in an ancient-stylee as a hoax?! Laughing


"Concrete" slabs are naturally forming conglomerate slabs - a geological concretion of sorts. Conglomerate strata can form flags much the same as sandstone, mudstone, and siltstone. The fact is that a Bosnian American called Sam Osmanagić has extensively reshaped one of the hills and has probably damaged some real archaeology in the process. The tunnels are old mine diggings and no more mysterious than the Chislehurst or West Wycombe caves.

It's geology.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 28 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

I think i just discovered a pyramid in Scotland. This one is over 1,000 metres tall!

https://www.scottishgeology.com/wp-content/uploads/28-schiehallion-cpudsey-1-webres.jpg
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Ah the Schiehallion pyramid. Well kept secret that one.

And it's been used to do some real science. Laughing
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It's interesting to speculate what the pyramids would have looked like by now in a more temperate climate, and a wooded hill is possible.

I am open to the idea there may have been a more advanced civilisation which predates a lot of what we see as ancient now.
The way impossibly huge stones have been cut with laser-like precision such as we could barely achieve now is well documented in the nether regions of youtube.
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"Concrete" slabs are naturally forming conglomerate slabs - a geological concretion of sorts. Conglomerate strata can form flags much the same as sandstone, mudstone, and siltstone.

It's geology.


Laid in layers in a precise order and tested to prove they are of artificial composition? I think not.
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Laid in layers in a precise order and tested to prove they are of artificial composition? I think not.


All sedimentary deposits are deposited in layers - the clue is in the name. Tested by whom? Can you link me to an independent lab report?

It's still just geology... Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 28 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's interesting to speculate what the pyramids would have looked like by now in a more temperate climate, and a wooded hill is possible.

I am open to the idea there may have been a more advanced civilisation which predates a lot of what we see as ancient now.
The way impossibly huge stones have been cut with laser-like precision such as we could barely achieve now is well documented in the nether regions of youtube.


There are plenty of pyramids in jungle areas that can show you what they'd look like. They would look and test as artifacts rather than natural geology.

I think it's unlikely that there were more advanced civilisations than us (depending on how you define advanced, of course) we'd have discovered archaeological evidence by now. Smile

The ancients, take Egyptians as an example, understood the use of measurement, geometry, and water levels, possessed reasonable tools and most importantly were highly skilled and had both time and labour force to use them. There's an example of this at the Ness of Brodgar where a perfectly dressed drystone wall has been discovered that dates back 5,000 years (approx). A local mason said he'd struggle to replicate it but then he has to meet deadlines and earn money. I'm not decrying the skill and precision but it's human endeavour that produced it.
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I think it's unlikely that there were more advanced civilisations than us (depending on how you define advanced, of course) we'd have discovered archaeological evidence by now. Smile


I don't think anyone is saying that there were civilisations more advanced than we currently are as far as what we consider 'advanced' now. But there is a very interesting argument that some very clever skills were lost that would date to much earlier than the current general consensus of archaeological opinion. We have Gobekli Tepi, and possible water erosion evidence of the Sphinx and surrounding works that may mean adjusting our dating of some civilisations, their skills and what they have left us. Some of the new arguments are quite compelling, and yet the instant reaction from many is to dismiss it as rubbish without serious further enquiry. Others are more open minded.

I would at least like to see further investigation, which we probably will do in time.

We should always be ready to adjust our current understanding of the world, and especially of the history of man, given the fragmented nature of evidence we base our theories on - it's arrogant to assume we know everything there is to know.

At the same time, we shouldn't jump to conclusions on first signs of new data. I think people fall into the trap of expecting immediate resolution to questions of science and archaeology among other disciplines these days. My approach is that if such a subject interests me, I'll mentally log any new information but suspend judgement until such things become unarguable due to accumulating weight of evidence. But instant dismissal because something doesn't agree with current ideas seems a bit...well, unwise to me.

Islander, I would ask you why you say, "we'd have discovered archaeological evidence by now"? New artefacts, settlements and information are being discovered in the world of archaeology almost every day.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 28 Jan 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm in broad agreement with your argument. Dating of finds isn't always a precise science unless you're lucky enough to find some form of organic remains for carbon dating in the lowest archaeological strata (hearths are a good source here). Egyptology has been problematic in the past having been dominated by 'experts' that talk in absolutes. That's changing and there are some interesting arguments challenging those views - especially timelines.

I don't always think the skills have been lost either. I've seen some extremely fine mason work using hand tools that would probably meet the same standards as older civilizations. What we have lost is the time and will to complete to a fine standard for the most part - and access to larger numbers of people with the skills of course. The site I mentioned at the Ness of Brodgar appears to illustrate this. The early stuff is built to an extraordinary standard of masonry and probably built to impress. The later stuff not so much, instead function and scale take precedence. It's truly fascinating stuff.

Theories change, that's the nature of science. New evidence is produced, rigorously tested and the old ways of thinking challenged. I'm happy to change my opinions when the weight of evidence says I should Smile

I said we'd have discovered archaeological evidence by now because, well we would have. Given the scale of archaeological work over the past, say 50 years, with improvements on geophysical investigation, aerial photography, satellite imaging, and other techniques, large sites (which you'd expect from any well developed civilisation) would have turned something up to rock the archaeological world. I appreciate that a lot of evidence is lost for the foreseeable future under rising sea levels, for example, but still...

The Bosnian 'pyramids' have been carefully examined by reputable geologists and discovered to be geology after all. No amount of wishful thinking or artificial groundwork on a massive scale is going to change that. It's good for tourism though... Wink
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