So I was gonna get into welding...

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I just have the one task at the moment: tack on little old-skool circular mounts to replace the cup-style "modern" mounts on the inside of a fuel tank for the DT.

I was going to just get a cheap-n-cheerful "gasless" MIG when I found this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIG-Welder-Inverter-Gas-Gasless-200AMP-220V-MMA-3-in-1-IGBT-Welding-Machine/333421504850

Knowing how eBay/PayPal are dealing with such things I'm almost tempted to click on it

Anyhoo, this one looks like it has variable speed and variable current:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gasless-MIG-130-Welder-Non-Live-Torch-Amp-Flux-Trade-Welding-Machine-No-Gas-230V/263778926236

Enough to get the job done or a waste of time?
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The first one does seem to be too good to be true
If they'd honour the offer, grab it quick !

It's definitely handy to have a wee welder to hand
and pretty pointless to shell out big money for an industrial Lincoln type
thing if your only going to drag it out once in a blue moon
for small jobs.

My £25 second hand gasless one was a steal.
Very portable, easily stowable and it suits me for what I do with it.
Tacking on brackets, nuts on broken bolts/studs fixing various stuff etc
I found the welds were surprisingly clean, not the white dust and birdshit I found when I had a go on one years ago,
Maybe the wire and flux has improved since?
Anti spatter spay and protective masking can help avoid collateral damage if that's an issue.
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Nice! The crucial bit:

[Sister Sledge]

Pop rivets? No don't!! Just kidding.

Well that first one you linked to - I've just bought one for £11 notes delivered. There has to be a catch there really does. Not anywhere does it say I'm buying the box only so this will be a lols purchase
If anything it'll be useful for components..

Gasless runs hotter. I think it's the lack of shielding gas. With gas mig welding it's surprising how low a heat you can weld at. With gas comes a Hobbyweld contract or whatever so factor that in too. Mask, gloves and other consumables (though they're cheap to buy the smaller things).

My mig can do gas and gasless and I dislike gasless immensely. The splatter is less than rod welding but it seems to be harder to remove - that could well be the cheapo fluxed wire I was using that came with the machine when purchased.

If you're gonna mess with small bracketry then brazing would be ideal. You need some good heat so get a hotter burning gas torch. Mapp gas is your friend - it will need the burner for it too. I dunno how much brazing rods cost these days but for what you're doing it will be cheap anyway. Just remember to clean surfaces lots. You will find videos online.
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11 squids posted ?
that's got to be a typo or an out right con.
interested to see if anything comes of it.
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Gasless is utter shite. Really.

I've welded since my apprenticeship in 1973 and I've done, MIG, TIG, ARC and gas welding, some better than others but the worst I have ever encountered was trying a friends gasless MIG welder.

Basically if someone offered me one free it would be on ebay for 99p start, no returns.
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Scam by the looks of it. The previous items sold by that seller were totally unrelated brick-à-brac. I found another account selling a Lincoln for £24.95.

If I were to guess it would be: steal eBay account, assign new PayPal account, post ludicrous items, empty PayPal account of funds, make off like bandits...

Anyhoo, I've not tried MAPP (or MAP+ as it seems to be these days) so I'm going to try a bit of that plus a fine "jewellers" torch - well, finer than what I have in the shed that looks more appropriate for crème brûlée!

Cleaning surfaces seems obvious now but back when I was first introduced to brazing (~11yo) the teacher at school never mentioned such things; "need more flux" is all he said We turned out some proper rubbish! Amazing: won't let kids near acetone or contact cleaner (not even some emery paper) but fine with oxy acetylene torches

Some sort of perverse joke I imagine as after I left school I found out my old metalwork teacher had been done for fraud: he'd been turning out replica flint-lock pistols in the school workshop and passing them off as antiques!!!
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[stinkwheel]

You could always silver solder the lugs on. Less intense heat required, more forgiving to use (pre-flux, heat, flow solder). Maybe easier with very thin material, I could see you burning the edges of the lugs trying to get it all up to brazing temperature.

Remember to remove the flux after.
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How's the strength of silver solder vs brazing? Not that it's an area that should see much stress
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That 11 quid welders been pulled from Ebay.

Did not buy

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That 11 quid welders been pulled from Ebay.

Did not buy

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[Sister Sledge]

Yup been pulled and I got a lovely letter from the bay of evil.
Account hacked and I've to raise a complaint through eBay for monies to be stopped but it looks like PayPal spotted the account and froze any payments to them anyway.
Such a shame that cos I'm currently looking at a tig that's £700..
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[Polarbear]

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Arc welding? For a fuel tank made of Chinesium tin-foil?!

Sounds a bit OTT. I was gonna try small MAPP gas torch + either bronze brazing rods or hard silver (as per Stinkwheel's suggestion.)
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This sort of thing:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n6gAAOSwFCZdngUC/s-l500.jpg

As opposed to the usual:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Tn0AAOSw39NdWqgt/s-l1600.jpg

Just want to try stuff out a bit on a crap tank before I try and tackle fixing the original.
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