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MCN
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 17 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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I could cut an paste a lot of stuff to help.


Sad, isn't it, when people mistake grabbing references off the internet for understanding a subject Sad
I want to hear your solutions.

I'm just using you here to make a point cos I think you don't take it personally Smile


I refuse to be triggered by trolls...


(Take it personally? Personally? WTF are you insinuating Pal? I'll have you.)

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Re:Solutions.

I don't know what the solution might be.

I know that there are excellent people among society that could do a better job of running the country than the Edjits we have in place just now.

(World politics is in turmoil.)

Predominantly, people are not taught much about politics all throughout school.

It seems that it's a taboo subject akin to the teaching about religion where too many are afraid to step on toes.

By all means educate about politics, the need for and effects of.
Encourage people to develop more enlightened opinions about politics and allow diverse opinion whilst maintaining the respect of debate.

There are many things that could and should be done to help.

I live in Scotland and witness the effects/ineffect of Scottish Nationalism.
Whether Scotland can 'go-it-alone' or not should not be a point.
We should make the union more effective by being more British.
Still maintain the regional colour things like haggis and bagpipes for Scotland, leeks and rugby in wales, irishmen jokes and drukeness in N. Ireland and Englund Away Supporters in UEFA and Englishmen in pub fights at English Pubs in Spain. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 17 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We should make the union more effective by being more British.


We've taken the first big step in that direction by leaving the EU Smile
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which the SNP remind us Scotland didn't want to do.

They hate the English, the EU hates the English... The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Okay, so I'll be the apocryphal "ignorant southerner" for a moment...

The Union of the Crowns, 1603... King James VI of Scotland took up the crowns of England and Ireland.

If anything we need English Independence from the UK and Scotland can keep Liz Laughing
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There was another act of union in 1707 I think.

Also one of the verses of the national anthem has something in it about bashing Scots.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There was another act of union in 1707 I think.

Also one of the verses of the national anthem has something in it about bashing Scots.


Rebellious Scots to crush.

The cute thing about that is hardly anyone knows the words anyway.
They'd never bother to sing every verse to the end.


https://youtu.be/i9nnnM-__JQ
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Which the SNP remind us Scotland didn't want to do.


A shame, isn't it? The world's smallest violin player, just for you!

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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Which the SNP remind us Scotland didn't want to do.


A shame, isn't it? The world's smallest violin player, just for you!

Razz


The Tyranny of Democracy Smile

Has anyone worked out if Scotland (or more accurately, its people) would be better off if they left the Union? I think we have some guys left over from the Brexit stuff who can help out...
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They want to leave the union, but remain within (or rejoin) the EU.

If the EU had any sense though they wouldn't take them in, as it would just be another mouth to suckle from the German teet.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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They want to leave the union, but remain within (or rejoin) the EU.

If the EU had any sense though they wouldn't take them in, as it would just be another mouth to suckle from the German teet.


I don't actually think Scotland wants to join the EU. The SNP just like to take the opposite position to Westminster so they can claim Scotland's voice to have been marginalised and use the different view as justification for independence. The curious thing about Scotland is how unwilling they are to act independently. They could for example refuse to take England's massive subsidy payments and instead say that proud independent Scotland doesn't need anyone else's help.

Scottish independence is no Brexit. It's going to be a massive disappointment for the Glasgow residents who want it so badly. You don't hear anyone worrying about Scotland "competitive advantage" like you do in the case of the EU v UK. Rural Scots of course will manage just fine, it's Glasgow that can't.
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If Scotland had such promise, it would already be manifesting it. Same with Wales, and anywhere else not currently forging ahead that claims to have a brighter future alone. Smart people with great ideas and earning potential get on and do it; they don't wait round for others to help, or make excuses why they can't. They find ways to get wealthy (obvs I don't include myself among them Sad ).

The UK as a whole is already manifesting its strength - 5th or 6th largest economy in the world, mostly down to London. London is probably the only part of the UK that could realistically be independent alone.
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They want to leave the union, but remain within (or rejoin) the EU.

If the EU had any sense though they wouldn't take them in, as it would just be another mouth to suckle from the German teet.


And from what we hear, there's already a battle royal going on over who contributes how much now the UK has left.

Of course if they were sensible, a trade deal could be worked out between us that benefits all. Instead, it seems they'd rather risk us walking away with none. That might not be great for us, but I suspect it'd be rather worse for them.
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Spain have said they'll veto Scotland joining anyway. They don't want to give Catalonia any encouragement.
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France saying no fishing rights, no trade deal. Just reverse it, no trade deal, no fishing.

Then it's a game of bluff.

OR, we really piss France off and just offer Spain a fishing deal. Free access to Scottish waters. Whistle
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 18 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chicken strip wrote:
London is probably the only part of the UK that could realistically be independent alone.

I find this fact rather depressing. We'll let any number of industries and skill-sets go to the wall because the capital city's "service industries" will provide, but they're not producing anything tangible. Banking, insurance, it could all so easily go off-shore. As it is, we rely on foreign expertise to own and run large chunks of utilities, infrastructure and manufacturing. We're beholden to foreign commodities, labour and know how. What the hell happened?
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France saying no fishing rights, no trade deal. Just reverse it, no trade deal, no fishing.


And Greece has said the return of the Elgin Marbles has to be in the deal.
But once you've lost your marbles, I'm not sure there's any hope for you Dance!
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And from what we hear, there's already a battle royal going on over who contributes how much now the UK has left.

Of course if they were sensible, a trade deal could be worked out between us that benefits all. Instead, it seems they'd rather risk us walking away with none. That might not be great for us, but I suspect it'd be rather worse for them.


Remain computer says no.
Apparently a no deal result would be disastrous for Britain, but water off a ducks back for the EU.

I'm sure someone on here posted that the EU had put our contribution up 20% before we left, and Germany's even more. It might have been mpd.
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We need MDF 4x2 for insight on this matter.
Why did he leave at such a critical stage in our nation's future?
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it's BCF's longest drawn out flounce...

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Fooked off to Thailand, before the shit hit the fan!

Back on topic, having had to use the A75, at the weekend, as far as Newton Stewart, having not done so for a while, I can confirm it's still not fit for the HGV, ferry, traffic that uses it!
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
And from what we hear, there's already a battle royal going on over who contributes how much now the UK has left.

Of course if they were sensible, a trade deal could be worked out between us that benefits all. Instead, it seems they'd rather risk us walking away with none. That might not be great for us, but I suspect it'd be rather worse for them.


Remain computer says no.
Apparently a no deal result would be disastrous for Britain, but water off a ducks back for the EU.

I'm sure someone on here posted that the EU had put our contribution up 20% before we left, and Germany's even more. It might have been mpd.


Well, I don't suppose it'll exactly bankrupt them, but it probably means they'll have to considerably slim down their ambitions for a non-democratic superstate that will rule the world. Might plant their feet back firmly on the ground, which can only be a good thing.

I'm hearing that the talk in the EU corridors is of contributions from each nation being 1.1% of GDP. Some member states are arguing against this though. And it's likely to set back their ambitions of bringing in whichever Balkan states they've had their sights on, as these are likely to need more than they can pay in for some time. The arguments over who pays what is gearing up to be the bunfight of the century Pass the popcorn

Boris's bridge idea? Pffft, non-news by comparison, likely to quietly disappear without a trace. It's almost like someone's just looking for something to be angry about.
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The Bridge/Tunnel/Canal/Ford over the Irish sea will force the hand of the government into building an M75 from Carlisle to Stranraer.
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The Bridge/Tunnel/Canal/Ford over the Irish sea will force the hand of the government into building an M75 from Carlisle to Stranraer.


There shouldn't be any investment for Scotland until they learn to be grateful.
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The Bridge/Tunnel/Canal/Ford over the Irish sea will force the hand of the government into building an M75 from Carlisle to Stranraer.


There shouldn't be any investment for Scotland until they learn to be grateful.


Its not to benefit Scotland ya tube.
It's to let the English trade through the back-door of the EU, Eire.

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