DVLA Code 101 - not for hire or reward

1198 · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Karma :

so, I've just been on the DVLA website checking my photo card licence has been renewed correctly (it has).
When flicking through the pages of things I'm entitled to drive, alongside the 16 seat minibus (old fart rules) it says 'DVLA Code 101 - not for hire or reward'.
If I was to drive the large minibus at work, is this allowed? I'm not doing it for hire as I'm not taxi'ing folk round but if I'm doing it for work? It's technically for reward as that's why I go to work - for money....

recman · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Karma :

Would you be specifically employed as the bus driver or would driving the bus be something you were asked to do on occasion while at your place of employment?

Pete. · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Karma :

I would say that if it belonged to your employer and you were driving it on company time then it's for reward. They are paying you to drive it. If you had borrowed it for personal purposes that would be not for reward.
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MCN · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Karma :

The Safety Nazis have taken over the world.

I'd say as stated above, you are technically Hired andnRewarded by your employer.

To comply with licensing you would need to complete some sort of PSV training. Probably a proper term on DVLA (Taffy Central)

https://www.gov.uk/adding-higher-categories-to-your-driving-licence.
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1198 · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Karma :

The easy approach is I’ll just not drive the thing, although I will pose the question if only from interest.
The insurance certificate is fantastic - it basically just said anybody employed by them or connected to them can drive anything owned by, rented to or loaned by them for work purposes. There’s copies of it in pool cars...

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andym · World Chat Champion Joined: 16 Nov 2010 Karma :

Personally I would drive it and plead ignorance if/when stopped.

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Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

So we are now down to the insurance thing again.

How many times do you need to see the case law that says insurance underwriters cannot withdraw 3rd party insurance retrospectively for any reason?
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Copycat73 · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Jan 2013 Karma :

insurance companies and operators of busses want to see and take a copy of licence before you are entered as a qualified driver to drive said buss .. i`ve seen transport managers on the phone before they give you the "keys" to any buss .. .. the term used was vicarious liability .. and it frightens the crap out of them .. you may be allowed to drive said minibuss on permits under Section 19 or Section 22 ... but your operator will have the details or talk to the commissioners...
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McHattrick · Nova Slayer Joined: 30 Nov 2018 Karma :

Found a similar question here.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/d1_101_resriction
The answer appears in the attached DVLA leaflet.
‘A brief guide to driving a minibus’ leaflet INF241.
Section 2 states rewards may be direct or indirect, and an example of an indirect payment is a salary paid by an empoyer.
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wr6133 · World Chat Champion Joined: 31 Dec 2013 Karma :

In 99% of circumstances, No you cannot drive a minibus for your employer.

The 1% where it maybe permissible are where you volunteer for social events, however this is possibly a minefield too. Is the bus as an asset held by your works "social club"? Arguably not a commercial body......

Best to just not do it. It's your arse on the firing line if caught and ignorance is not a plea.

To confuse the shit out of this issue there are response emails online from various agencies giving mixed advice. Keep in mind all responses from the DVLA or DVSA if genuine are prepended with a message along the lines of, "this is an opinion, law maybe different". If you try to get a non prepended answer by asking the office of the traffic commissioner they will just point you back to the enforcement authorities as they refuse to commit anything in writing for fear of losing their cushy, unelected roles if they fuck it up. This means we have a system where you can actually never get a proper answer that people will stand by to any legal question.

I'm a Transport Manager. My CPC is in Haulage but I have to remain fairly current on bus wanker rules for my job. The above (minus the rant about commissioners), is the advice I would give to any driver that came to me with that question and yes my answer is also not fully committed and errs on the side of caution.

1198 · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Karma :

So I’m (probably!) ok for the Christmas pub crawl as driver but not to take people in ‘work’ time. Simple, I’ll just not bother!
thanks all!

TaffyTDM · Spanner Monkey Joined: 15 Jul 2015 Karma :

To add an extra layer of confusion, as well as the actual licence to drive the category of vehicle, in most circumstances (except forces, blue lights and "incidental use at work - ie driving to a job, rather than as a job", and, er, vosa, )invokes an extra layer of bureaucracy called a CPC permit, which needs to be renewed every few years, for a reasonable fee, of course.