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Royski
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Off-road parking: a proper pain in the buns. Reply with quote
Hi all,

I am in the process of racking up some experience on my 125 with a view to doing my MODs for a full A license.

I park my bike in my front garden, where I can chain it up and keep an eye on it (local scrotes nicked my first bike). Only problem is, I'm not directly next to the road. I have a footpath with a dropped curb (about 10 yards to my house) and a big feck-off triangular patch of grass as my options to get from garden to road.

Anyone know the legal ramifications for pushing a bike over grassland/footpath? I seem to see differing opinions online.

I'm hoping to get something a little more "dressed" to entice the Mrs into going pillion, but I have no idea how the hell, I'd even start getting it onto the road!
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
15 metres is maximum you can ride on a footpath, but if you are pushing there is no limit but the engine must be off and you must also wear a helmet Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
You couldn't be regularly going over the grass there would soon be a muddy track if not a rut eventually.
The odd time for service or wash would be OK if not entirely approved of.
Footpath probably OK unless someone wants to pretend you are a hooligan and nearly knocked them over.
A lot of driveways you have to cross the path not much different.
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Royski
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
dynax wrote:
15 metres is maximum you can ride on a footpath, but if you are pushing there is no limit but the engine must be off and you must also wear a helmet Thumbs Up


Thumbs Up Excellent. So in theory, as long as it isn't under its own power, I'm safe?

Good to know. Cheers! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
doggone wrote:
...unless someone wants to pretend you are a hooligan and nearly knocked them over.


Where I live, the actual hooligans are far too busy committing violent crime and property theft. Getting buffeted by a dude on a bike would be considered a minor inconvenience! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is a Crimebodge video that references parking and driving on pavements. From what i recall, driving across a footpath is illegal unless to access a property, and then it should be across a dropped kerb.

However he noted that there are pretty much zero prosecutions for the offence of driving on a pavement. I would expect any issue you encounter will be courtesy of a miserable neighbour who decides to take issue with you having a motorbike in the front garden / riding across a bit of grass.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158

Rule 145 (and the Legal Giblets in the links.)

Be careful not to interfere with pedestrians using the footpath or cause a nuisance. (Depends on your relationship with your neighbours I'd guess. If any have a prior beef with you, your fam or friends.)
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueasyRider wrote:
dynax wrote:
15 metres is maximum you can ride on a footpath, but if you are pushing there is no limit but the engine must be off and you must also wear a helmet Thumbs Up

Thumbs Up Excellent. So in theory, as long as it isn't under its own power, I'm safe? Good to know. Cheers! Very Happy

It's "15 yards from a road", but even then I think you're further away than that. However, as said, if you're pushing it, you're not riding it. I'd go route 2, 'cos also as said the grass will get very slippy and muddy and the path is better. If you get a bigger bike remember it will be heavier.... Smile
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Be nice to the neighbours , don’t rev the engine or ride it to the house and take option 2.


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PostPosted: 14:39 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
pepperami wrote:
...Pepperami has spoken!


This alone makes me think I need to follow your advice!
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Similar situation to my house. I ride it up the path all the way to my front gate. As long as you're not a dick (i.e. wait for peds to use the path) no one will care.

Oh, and don't try riding across the grass bit in this weather. Ask me how I know...
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Option 2 and widen your gate to make the turn easy peasy.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 19 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
By the way, what stone is your house made of? It looks nice.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 20 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
By the way, what stone is your house made of? It looks nice.


Thanks. I'm not entirely sure. It was just "stone" on the description of the house.

I think I'm going to go with route 2 and also widen my gate. I can scrape by at the moment on my GT125R, but I might need to go larger to convince my wife to pillion (she wants an armchair on the back), and I don't fancy my chances with anything close to a fully dressed bike as it is!

Thanks for all the replies.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 20 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueasyRider wrote:
my GT125R,.


Would that be the Hyosung?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 20 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueasyRider wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
By the way, what stone is your house made of? It looks nice.


Thanks. I'm not entirely sure. It was just "stone" on the description of the house.

I think I'm going to go with route 2 and also widen my gate. I can scrape by at the moment on my GT125R, but I might need to go larger to convince my wife to pillion (she wants an armchair on the back), and I don't fancy my chances with anything close to a fully dressed bike as it is!

Thanks for all the replies.


You may not have to widen too much, if I remember rightly, the GT125R is quite big for a 125
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 20 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
pepperami wrote:
QueasyRider wrote:
my GT125R,.


Would that be the Hyosung?


It is indeed. Tiny picture of it as my avatar.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 20 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ahh Thumbs Up

I have the GT250R.
I can’t complain, it’s been a good little bike.

If I was on L-plates, I’d be happy to have the Hyosung 125.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 20 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I love it. Did my CBT on a GN125 and it felt tiny. I felt like Krusty the clown on his little unicycle.

I saw a big-engined Hyosung at a garage and fell in love. Soon as a saw they did a 125 with the same general dimensions, I was IN Razz
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 21 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
dynax wrote:
15 metres is maximum you can ride on a footpath

Citation?

And I presume you mean pavement rather than footpath?
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 21 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
dynax wrote:
15 metres is maximum you can ride on a footpath

Citation?

And I presume you mean pavement rather than footpath?


Footpath,pavement,sidewalk,pedestrian walkway, pretty much all relate to the same thing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 21 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
dynax wrote:
Footpath,pavement,sidewalk,pedestrian walkway, pretty much all relate to the same thing Thumbs Up

No they don't.

A footpath is a public right of way across private land and if someone chooses to ride a motorcycle on it then that's a civil matter between that person and the landowner.

A pavement on the other hand is part of the road and so is covered by the road traffic act, various other bits of legislation and the local council have an interest in it as well.

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Ste wrote:
dynax wrote:
Footpath,pavement,sidewalk,pedestrian walkway, pretty much all relate to the same thing Thumbs Up

No they don't.

A footpath is a public right of way across private land and if someone chooses to ride a motorcycle on it then that's a civil matter between that person and the landowner.

A pavement on the other hand is part of the road and so is covered by the road traffic act, various other bits of legislation and the local council have an interest in it as well.

Wink


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A100man wrote:
( 8< )
Ste for QC.

The measurement is "15 yards", since it's illegal to use metric on road signeage and law Wink
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Riejufixing wrote:
A100man wrote:
( 8< )
Ste for QC.

The measurement is "15 yards", since it's illegal to use metric on road signeage and law Wink


Slopes are indicated as a percentage now. Is that metric??
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