Tracker help (yeah another one..)

[Sister Sledge]

So motorcycle theft in the North East has gone to silly numbers. It's rife and some have been very close to home and I have a supermoto and I fear theft lots, so..

My bike - it's bare bones stuff and has almost no hidey holes for devices.
What trackers are out there?
Can you get sneaky little ones?
What would power it? Just thinking they could disconnect the main bike battery and I lose the tracking..
How long do trackers run for?
Are contract trackers (like a monthly fee) better or would a simple DIY sim one be OK for plod to recover it?
Prices?

There are other mentions of trackers in threads here but I'm after a more up to date list of ideas.
What is best please. I do need to do something now.
My local plod do seem to be recovering some bikes with trackers so it might help me.

Cheers!
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CCM 404 DS

[WD Forte]

I had to fix one recently on a deliveroo scoot
I think it was a datatool contract £10 a month
Apparently if it moves outside specified areas they ring him
to check all's ok and he has an app to tell him its till where he left it
they also tell him when the battery is running low but oddly its not part of the app
which seems a bit crap.
I think they have internal batteries charged from the bike.

Apart from tearing off a panel and ripping wires off the ignition switch
the thief cut the antenna cable making it untrackable but fairly sure they rang him
and told him it had lost signal.

The major flaw I saw in respect to this scoot was the box and sat antenna was in plain sight
when the panel covering the ign switch and main electrics was removed.
This made it easy to defeat.

If fitting one to a bike, I'd say the box needs to be out of easy obvious reach but the antenna has to be able to pick up satellite signals.
One plastic layer doesn't seem to hamper it so it doesn't have to be out in the weather, just well concealed.

The geniuses at Foulups also fitted the immobiliser in plain sight too but the tea leaf didnt seem to notice that.They also put its led low down in the front indicator lens too.
I rerouted it to above the ign switch in the hope it will deter casual theives.
This also tells the rider its detected the fob and ready to go.

TLDR
If you cant hide the sat thing dont waste your money
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[Easy-X]

Probably better to invest in a thicker chain for that sort of bike
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[ThatDippyTwat]

You can get trackers that look just like Relay's. bung it in the area all of the other relay's are, make it blend in. Not sure how good they are, but they're cheap enough to try out.
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[wr6133]

I had a cheap thing on my GSXR (had because I think it spat out somewhere on the M6). I shopped around a bit and got one that takes modern sims (I think it was tk104), many are 2g only and I couldn't be arsed trying to sort that out.

It was pretty good, battery powered (old Nokia style batteries came with spares and charger). I used to swap them around every 4 or 5 days. Send the thing a text and it would text me back a grid that was accurate enough. I lost mine because I wa a lazy pric and just glued it on. It was small enough to hide well and securely mounting would be easy, though if well hidden battery swaps would be a pain. It could also be wired in to take power from the bike, I didn't bother.

I bought mine on taobao for pennies. I see now they are on eBay and if you pay a bit of a premium some are offering access to proper online tracking, if I was going to do it again I think I'd do that, though keep in mind there will be an ongoing data cost on the sim then.

[Sister Sledge]

The bike has two relays - one hung in the spaghetti wiring inside the tiny headlight cowl for the indicators and the other the other is the tiny starter one hung on the side of the frame with a (factory fit) rubber band. There is no relay tray as such and no room inside the headlight cowl for one more wire never mind a relay

There are currently 4 ground anchors into reinforced concrete holding it using chains. Serious chains. Almax stuff will be a next stage with that lot. Has brake disc locks too.
The problem is - battery grinders. Bloody useful things but also very good for theft

It's illegal to hang 240 volt bare copper wires like vines inside the bike shed. It's tempting though..

Probably the best place for hiding things on the bike would be under the fuel tank and along the frame. Some wiring harness travels that way and I reckon I could place something flat and heat shrink tubed along there. An aerial wire could be wrapped into the wiring harness too as a way of hiding it.

Bike theft up here appears to have no preferred styles. Anything is game. Most bikes were chained (but not to anything) outside peoples houses. The local bike I mentioned is the third bike she had stolen in two years. Twice outside the shopping centre she works at in Whitley Bay and this last one from her back garden.
Bikes appear to have been taken in a Transit type vehicle. Rumors hint to a gang based in the Darlington/Barnard Castle area.
Local plod are next to useless in all types of crime never mind bike theft.
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CCM 404 DS

[wilbur]

I've got one of these.

£60 but you do need to pay for the tracking which sticks another £60 a year on the price. Works fine, simple to fit. Reasonably easy to hide and has a backup battery.

https://www.rewiresecurity.co.uk/db2-self-install-diy-gps-tracker

[JackButler]

I never like talking about vehicle security 'cos (A) You never know who you talking to & (B) You never know who's tab hanging.

Go ahead, tell the world & every scrote how best to steal your bike.

That said, they probably know a lot more than you do about how to go about stealing your bike. So why not ask them?

When I worked the police contract for vehicle recovery we thought we'd seen it all. from £250k Ferrari's left with the engine running outside a shop, to £250 Micra's aggressively hijacked in traffic queues.

Again, I don't like talking about vehicle security, but I can tell you that if they want to steal it they will & there's nothing you can do about it.

All you have to do is think about how to make it harder for them so they move onto the next one. I don't see how an invisible tracker helps with this.
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[Hawkeye1250FA]

I use these now, various different models / sizes / battery life.

Not GPS - but there's a lot of Bluetooth devices in the world now and a lot of them automatically update you if they see your lost item.

https://www.thetileapp.com/en-gb/products

It does make me giggle that somewhere a thief is dobbing himself in via his own Bluetooth headphones🤣
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[Hawkeye1250FA]

[JackButler]

[Hawkeye1250FA]

[Sister Sledge]

Some great things to be looking into there folks. Cheers!

Of course you will never stop theft. All you can do is deter them or slow them down. With tracking, my local plod are actually recovering stolen bikes up here. Yes of the many bikes I've had, it's one that would be welcome back.
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CCM 404 DS

[JackButler]

[Easy-X]

[JackButler]

Some of the worst vehicle thefts I was involved in were the very desireable stuff, BMW M's, Audi RS's, Porsches, Overfinch's etc . . . Very high value but practical vehicles that can be used as everyday transport.

You cannot realistically steal these types of vehicle unless you have the key & whose got the key?

Very few of these are stolen by & I hate to use the word "joyriders". These are stolen by organised gangs & either stripped for a ringer or shipped out to the middle east within hours. The MO of these gangs is to burst into your home & grab the keys which are usually within 5 paces of your door. If you have time to respond, like your still up watching telly & not in bed, then unless you John Wick you're going to get your nose/jaw broken & the mother of all black eyes. These aren't trakky bottom wearing scumbag scrotes raising the cost of the next fix . . . These are hard men !

Nobody tells you this, especially the nice salesman at the dealership.

99.9% of these vehicles will be fitted with trackers, just try to insure one without. So you ring the Police, those upstanding members of our community sworn to uphold the law & what do you get?

You get a crime reference number like every other fukker.
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[sickpup]

[Easy-X]

[dynax]

[The Shaggy D.A.]

[Hawkeye1250FA]

[JackButler]