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PostPosted: 23:00 - 15 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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Channel 4 news.

A Dr. was asked if the summer holidays are doubtful this year due to corona?

WTF?

I would say sort our shit out then go to the sea side.


The shocking thing is that you would watch Ch4 news, or indeed Ch4 at all Laughing


Your fault ya prick.

You told me to not renew my license for the Telly. Rolling Eyes

(Anyway, there's a bird on C4 News that I fancy.)
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

One from Triggernometry tonight:

You'll reduce the risk of catching the Vindaflu if you get the Punjab.









I'll get my coat...
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PostPosted: 02:25 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
One from Triggernometry tonight:

You'll reduce the risk of catching the Vindaflu if you get the Punjab.



I don't get it.

All I know is, Punjab is a place in India. I've got neighbours from there and a couple of them run up and down the road where I live, do a lot of boxing exercises, skipping and bag hitting, etc. They make a lot of noise. Really big chaps. I wouldn't want to trigger them, personally.

Vindaloo is a type of Indian restaurant food, according to Google:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindaloo

I might try it one day (I've not yet been adventurous enough to order anything but the CTM and egg fried rice).
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
One from Triggernometry tonight:

You'll reduce the risk of catching the Vindaflu if you get the Punjab.



I don't get it.

All I know is, Punjab is a place in India. I've got neighbours from there and a couple of them run up and down the road where I live, do a lot of boxing exercises, skipping and bag hitting, etc. They make a lot of noise. Really big chaps. I wouldn't want to trigger them, personally.

Vindaloo is a type of Indian restaurant food, according to Google:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindaloo

I might try it one day (I've not yet been adventurous enough to order anything but the CTM and egg fried rice).


Be careful, if you get a bad one you could be Vindaloo all f'king night. Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

All motorcycle road race events cancelled by organisers due to COVID.

Football, fcuk dat shite, we're having our games.
Flying in the face of virus control.

I'm thinking, crowd thinning. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
One from Triggernometry tonight:

You'll reduce the risk of catching the Vindaflu if you get the Punjab.



I don't get it.

All I know is, Punjab is a place in India. I've got neighbours from there and a couple of them run up and down the road where I live, do a lot of boxing exercises, skipping and bag hitting, etc. They make a lot of noise. Really big chaps. I wouldn't want to trigger them, personally.

Vindaloo is a type of Indian restaurant food, according to Google:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindaloo

I might try it one day (I've not yet been adventurous enough to order anything but the CTM and egg fried rice).


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PostPosted: 13:14 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
All motorcycle road race events cancelled by organisers due to COVID.

Football, fcuk dat shite, we're having our games.
Flying in the face of virus control.

I'm thinking, crowd thinning. Thumbs Up


Be a few sad faces in Glasgow over the next week or so as the lifetime football banning orders start dropping through letterboxes. Teams of police will be going through CCTV footage as I type... Teams of them.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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All motorcycle road race events cancelled by organisers due to COVID.

Football, fcuk dat shite, we're having our games.
Flying in the face of virus control.

I'm thinking, crowd thinning. Thumbs Up


Be a few sad faces in Glasgow over the next week or so as the lifetime football banning orders start dropping through letterboxes. Teams of police will be going through CCTV footage as I type... Teams of them.


I have a dream.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the Isle of Man said "TT riders only, no fans" that'd still have to include riders, backup riders, mechanics, associated family, etc. a sizeable number of people flooding an island that previous had an easy time regulating Covid incursions.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seychelles: Highest vaccination rate in the world but death rates skyrocket
The current vaccination world champion now has the highest number of new infections daily since the beginning of the Corona crisis. The number of deaths is also increasing enormously. Are vaccines to blame?
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/05/13/seychelles-highest-vaccination-rate-in-the-world-but-death-rates-skyrocket/
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 16 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
Seychelles: Highest vaccination rate in the world but death rates skyrocket
The current vaccination world champion now has the highest number of new infections daily since the beginning of the Corona crisis. The number of deaths is also increasing enormously. Are vaccines to blame?
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/05/13/seychelles-highest-vaccination-rate-in-the-world-but-death-rates-skyrocket/


Choose your sources carefully - just saying like.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/free-west-media/

"Questionable Reasoning: Conspiracy Theories, Pseudoscience, Propaganda, Poor Sourcing, Lack of Transparency"

Worldmeter puts the number of cases to date in the Seychelles at 9,184 and the total deaths to date at 32.

They're using the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine.

The site also suggests a global falling trend in both cases and deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

TL;DR

Vaccines are saving lives and preventing infections.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Learning without thinking is useless. Thinking without learning is dangerous."

-Confucius. Analects. 500BC
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PostPosted: 03:30 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
"Learning without thinking is useless. Thinking without learning is dangerous."

-Confucius. Analects. 500BC


Are analects the farting equivalent of dialects? Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The news and other media have been really pumping the fear porn over the Indian variant. Stoking the fear fire for a couple of months.

But the numbers just don't stack up.

At its peak, 4k a day dead in India. Thats the equivalent of 220 a day in the UK. 220!

At our peak (over a year ago) we had 7000 a day briefly. That was the equivalent of 140,000 deaths a day in India.

So far, 0.0% of the worlds population has died from covid.

It's horrific for anyone badly affected, but the fear mongering is off the scale.


Lastly on India. India were doing so much better than the rest of the west for a long time last year. They were using combinations of zinc, hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.
But circa October the 23rd 2020 the Indian Ministry of Health was asked to stop using Ivermectin from treatment protocols (perhaps because it was making the vaccine crowd look bad, or it would open up another huge market to big pharma). 10 weeks later and numbers started ticking up and significantly increasing.
The western works erupted with projections of global doom (and continue to do so). The Provinces which continued to use Ivermectin had 10x fewer deaths per capita than those which didn't.
The Indian Health Ministry a couple of weeks ago changed its stance again, treatment protocols now again include Ivermectin.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:
The news and other media have been really pumping the fear porn over the Indian variant. Stoking the fear fire for a couple of months.

But the numbers just don't stack up.

At its peak, 4k a day dead in India. Thats the equivalent of 220 a day in the UK. 220!

At our peak (over a year ago) we had 7000 a day briefly. That was the equivalent of 140,000 deaths a day in India.

So far, 0.0% of the worlds population has died from covid.

It's horrific for anyone badly affected, but the fear mongering is off the scale.


Lastly on India. India were doing so much better than the rest of the west for a long time last year. They were using combinations of zinc, hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.
But circa October the 23rd 2020 the Indian Ministry of Health was asked to stop using Ivermectin from treatment protocols (perhaps because it was making the vaccine crowd look bad, or it would open up another huge market to big pharma). 10 weeks later and numbers started ticking up and significantly increasing.
The western works erupted with projections of global doom (and continue to do so). The Provinces which continued to use Ivermectin had 10x fewer deaths per capita than those which didn't.
The Indian Health Ministry a couple of weeks ago changed its stance again, treatment protocols now again include Ivermectin.


Oh good grief, not more of this conspiracy twaddle. Rolling Eyes

Hydroxychloroquinine is NOT effective against Covid nor has it ever been despite the fevered rantings of the orange twat. In fact it's likely to do far more harm than good.

Ivermectin is NOT effective against Covid nor has it ever been.

ALL of the vaccines currently under production and use confer significant benefits in the form of immunity, mitigation of serious disease and reduction of transmission rate.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Pigeon wrote:
The news and other media have been really pumping the fear porn over the Indian variant. Stoking the fear fire for a couple of months.

But the numbers just don't stack up.

At its peak, 4k a day dead in India. Thats the equivalent of 220 a day in the UK. 220!

At our peak (over a year ago) we had 7000 a day briefly. That was the equivalent of 140,000 deaths a day in India.

So far, 0.0% of the worlds population has died from covid.

It's horrific for anyone badly affected, but the fear mongering is off the scale.


Lastly on India. India were doing so much better than the rest of the west for a long time last year. They were using combinations of zinc, hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.
But circa October the 23rd 2020 the Indian Ministry of Health was asked to stop using Ivermectin from treatment protocols (perhaps because it was making the vaccine crowd look bad, or it would open up another huge market to big pharma). 10 weeks later and numbers started ticking up and significantly increasing.
The western works erupted with projections of global doom (and continue to do so). The Provinces which continued to use Ivermectin had 10x fewer deaths per capita than those which didn't.
The Indian Health Ministry a couple of weeks ago changed its stance again, treatment protocols now again include Ivermectin.


Oh good grief, not more of this conspiracy twaddle. Rolling Eyes

Hydroxychloroquinine is NOT effective against Covid nor has it ever been despite the fevered rantings of the orange twat. In fact it's likely to do far more harm than good.

Ivermectin is NOT effective against Covid nor has it ever been.

ALL of the vaccines currently under production and use confer significant benefits in the form of immunity, mitigation of serious disease and reduction of transmission rate.




I wish you hadn't quoted the whole text in your reply as "twaddle". The numbers are facts (at least officially reported).

In relation to Ivermectin, the second half of the post. India were using both Ivermectin and hydroxy and had vastly lower numbers than we or America did. It may be coincidence / something else they did, but they were using these things, their numbers were very low for 9 months and numbers increased after they stopped using them.

They were told/advised to remove it, and numbers shot up.

They have recently re-allowed its use, here is the document from the Ministry of Health of India saying so.

"Consider Tab Ivermectin (200 mcg/kg once a day, to be taken empty stomach) for 3 to 5 days."
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh good grief, not more of this conspiracy twaddle. Rolling Eyes

Hydroxychloroquinine is NOT effective against Covid nor has it ever been despite the fevered rantings of the orange twat. In fact it's likely to do far more harm than good.

Ivermectin is NOT effective against Covid nor has it ever been.

ALL of the vaccines currently under production and use confer significant benefits in the form of immunity, mitigation of serious disease and reduction of transmission rate.




I wish you hadn't quoted the whole text in your reply as "twaddle". The numbers are facts (at least officially reported).

In relation to Ivermectin, the second half of the post. India were using both Ivermectin and hydroxy and had vastly lower numbers than we or America did. It may be coincidence / something else they did, but they were using these things, their numbers were very low for 9 months and numbers increased after they stopped using them.

They were told/advised to remove it, and numbers shot up.

They have recently re-allowed its use, here is the document from the Ministry of Health of India saying so.

"Consider Tab Ivermectin (200 mcg/kg once a day, to be taken empty stomach) for 3 to 5 days."


WHO:

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

EMA:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials

Global stats:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

India hasn't been doing so well after all - they now have a resurgence and that's pushing numbers up. There are a lot of factors at play here and the quackery isn't one of them.

The vaccines have been through proper trials and the data supports their efficacy.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 17 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ALL of the vaccines currently under production and use confer significant benefits in the form of immunity, mitigation of serious disease and reduction of transmission rate.


I hear the advice is not to spill the Russian one on door handles or in your tea.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 18 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The vaccines have been through proper trials and the data supports their efficacy.


Have they?

See, if you read articles published before covid 19 and, therefore, before there was an imperative to have an instant solution, they all seem to say that clinical trials for vaccines take 10 - 15 years.

And who is providing the efficacy data?
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Yup, proper trials would be over a much longer term.
You're all going to turn into two-headed monsters two years from now.
Some of you won't notice.
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PostPosted: 02:38 - 18 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WHO:

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

EMA:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials

Global stats:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

India hasn't been doing so well after all - they now have a resurgence and that's pushing numbers up. There are a lot of factors at play here and the quackery isn't one of them.

The vaccines have been through proper trials and the data supports their efficacy.



Not really sure what to say. Facts are India used Ivermectin and numbers were low for as long as they did. They rose 10 weeks after they stopped. They were 10x higher in provinces that did not use it.
Now their health department is officially saying they can use it again.

The https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ site you quoted shows a country (India) with 5x the population as #2 (USA) had 1/3 of the deaths. How is that a bad thing?

Presumably that's because India had much better healthcare, much stricter lock down and the open sewers + eating with your left hand definitely helped.

Not sure the WHO should be used as its own against real world experience. WHO said airborne transmission was unlikely for 6 months until they decided it was the main cause of transmission (9 months after we'd all figured it out).
The CDC now say that only 1 in 10,000 cases is caused by surface transmission.
They say, that being outside is the best thing with bugger all chance of transmission. But people in parks or at beaches are "covidiots" and we still can't sit on the hill at the chicane at Thruxton.

As a side note, how many people died of covid in the Pfzier/BioNtech 50% placebo group?
None.

How many of the first 4,000 kids vaccinated in the US died?
9 within 28 days, 7 required hospital treatment.
Very low, but.

How many covid deaths of kids (<15yrs ) out of 490k deaths since 2020?
72....

Or roughly 700x greater than the placebo group.


I can't find the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) or
the EMA equivalent charts.
But the chart for covid vaccine reports was 100x higher than flu vaccines. Some of that can be fake, some hyper sensitivity to reporting symptoms. Not sure of its significance in this case, but..


The mRNA vaccines have not at all proved their safety long term.
In fact the Spike Protein itself seems to be linked to cardiovascular disorders (similar to covid funnily enough).
Then there is ADE (Antibody Dependency Enhancement) in humans. Not proven, but AFAIK not disproven either.

Then there is HCoV-OC43 cross reactive anti-body response.
The AZ + JJ vaccines making a standard cold virus almost as dangerous as covid potentially.

The blood clot issue, its tiny, really, really tiny. Not worth mentioning really. I wouldn't pay it any attention except the fact its there.


Apparently 80% of the population already has t-cell immunity to covid.
In fact, the Diamond Princess I quoted in this thread 15 months ago is still one of the best examples of what happens when people are locked indoors and have no idea what they are doing.

They had a rubbish lockdown. They were slow, the air was circulated between cabins. Staff walked between cabins etc.
Only 20% of the ship caught covid, why, perhaps because 80% already had t-cell immunity. And this was a ship largely of older people with hospitals unprepared.
14 died out of 3711. 0.38%

Covid is real. Of course it is. But in 15 months its killed 0.0%

The shear weight of vitriol by peoples fear over this, vs medium + unknown long term impact use of these types of vaccine, shows a level of hysteria that is understandable due to a daily barrage. But not necessarily a good thing.
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I'm still amazed that armchair theorists reckon they are bossing the figures. Over and above washing my hands, wearing a mask, getting jabbed and avoiding dirty feckers ( pretty much everyone) I'm done.

For me, the issue with mingling isn't the mingling, it's mingling with the minging and having to touch / share contact with / spend time sharing air in the confined spaces you will use when out and about rather than the physical act of being out and about as such.

Covidiocy is still very much a thing. I'd rather be in the club avoiding it than the club embracing it and literally everyone else out and about doing the same.

Free rights this / protest march that - yeah you crack the fuck on.
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What I would like to know is how many people actually died of covid in the UK. Not this 30 day positive covid test crap where you could have been hit by a bus on day 29 and therefore have died of covid and not because 10 tonnes of red metal reduced you to pulp.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 18 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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ALL of the vaccines currently under production and use confer significant benefits in the form of immunity, mitigation of serious disease and reduction of transmission rate.


I hear the advice is not to spill the Russian one on door handles or in your tea.


I heard it comes in a perfume atomiser.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 18 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
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The vaccines have been through proper trials and the data supports their efficacy.


Have they?

See, if you read articles published before covid 19 and, therefore, before there was an imperative to have an instant solution, they all seem to say that clinical trials for vaccines take 10 - 15 years.

And who is providing the efficacy data?


Yes they have. Full double blinded trials. They were all granted emergency approval for use.

Protocols and other information is now in the public domain - knock yourself out:

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf

https://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-09/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol.pdf

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ctr-med-7111/D8110C00001/52bec400-80f6-4c1b-8791-0483923d0867/c8070a4e-6a9d-46f9-8c32-cece903592b9/D8110C00001_CSP-v2.pdf

https://www.jnj.com/coronavirus/covid-19-phase-3-study-clinical-protocol
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