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It seems it can have quite a nasty effect on even the fittest individuals:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/52010616
And yet some are asymptomatic. Where's the pattern? Older folks, at risk. Definite pre-existing health issue, at risk. Beyond that? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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The idiot and the virus.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/trump-narcissism-american-blood-coronavirus
There's a brief point made in this article referring the The POTUS ego.
It was made glaringly obvious what his motives are when he rounded on a journalist for asking a question he didn't like.
Rather than ignore it he decided to fite in front of world news.
He's supposed to be making decisions about dealing with a pandemic but his ego drives him. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Rather than spend two minutes googling I thought I'd ask here, there must be plenty of BCFers stuck at home and willing to do my research while I work.
So, asymptomatic cases.
If one catches the virus but remains asymptomatic does this mean that their body does not reject the infection, do they, therefore, not build up antibodies and thus become super spreaders?*
*My biology knowledge is crap when it comes to the acquiring of antibodies. ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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Looking at the US economy prior to China’s little “oops”, i’d Say he’s done an astounding job. Maybe too good a job for China.
He speaks his mind, unlike Obama, who recites pre prepared speeches.
If we’re honest about this, he’s a left wing hate figure, mainly because he scares them for doing a good job. If he was another Corbyn he’d be no threat to lefties. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mentalboy wrote: | Rather than spend two minutes googling I thought I'd ask here, there must be plenty of BCFers stuck at home and willing to do my research while I work.
So, asymptomatic cases.
If one catches the virus but remains asymptomatic does this mean that their body does not reject the infection, do they, therefore, not build up antibodies and thus become super spreaders?*
*My biology knowledge is crap when it comes to the acquiring of antibodies. |
In a few years time, when all the research is done, we'll probably look back on this and go "what was all the fuss about?"
Whether some people (beyond "underlying health conditions") are either laid low by the virus or otherwise breeze through it might just be down to something as simple as blood type or racial genetics (like lactose intolerance.)
Asymptomatic carriers as a general concept are still not fully understood but I suspect it's because the infection has taken hold somewhere non-vital where, while not successful, the virus can maintain some equilibrium but still be contagious.
When I started reading about The Black Death I was quite surprised it came in three forms: the traditional skin lesions (ring-a-ring-a-roses) from flea bites but also lung and blood infections.
For Corvid-19 it has been reported that some people just lose their sense of smell but are otherwise unaffected - the virus has taken a hold in the nasal passages but got no further, no sore throat, no pneumonia. They would still be infectious from the odd random sneeze but, of course, we've all been told that's not one of the main symptoms ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Riejufixing wrote: | New cases is up again, I see. Deaths is riz quite a lot too, 181. Oh dear. |
New cases will continue to rise, even more as testing increases, so, new cases count, is not an overly useful statistic. It may seem harsh, but even today's death rise isn't likely to be the worse it gets before easing off, it is however, still relatively low.
Ideally, we need a public test for anti bodies, and some way those with anti bodies can be easily identified, as, they can pretty safely be let back into the community, and, back to work, help lessen the effect on the economy, and, thus, hopefully, lessening the inevitable period of austerity that will follow once this has all blown over. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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mentalboy wrote: |
So, asymptomatic cases.
If one catches the virus but remains asymptomatic does this mean that their body does not reject the infection, do they, therefore, not build up antibodies and thus become super spreaders? |
Doesn't seem to be the case with this one (yet), although it can happen with other viruses. In fact, it can happen with other types of coronavirus.
Broadly speaking, for a carrier state to occurr with a viral infection, the disease needs to find part of the body where the immune system can't reach it. The classic example is the chickenpox virus which lodges in nerve fibres and can reappear at a later stage as shingles. HIV is another which hides within the immune cells themselves.
It's one reason why they were worried about finding this strain of coronavirus in faeces because some parts of the gut are quite well "hidden" from the immune system. Other types of coronavirus in other species can have quite a prolonged faecal shedding period. In fairness though, this isn't as big a problem in humans on the whole because we don't lick one anothers arses quite as much and many of us even wash our hands after going to the toilet.
I wouldn't have said that being asymptomatic means you didn't form an adequate immune response. It can mean your immune system was already on top of the job and stomped on it fast. Its certainly being recognised that if your immune system is already activated (by, say a normal cold), some non-specific mechanisms are already ramped up and ready to go and the specific mechanisms are already out there looking for something to attack.
We've seen this in my field recently where you vaccinate an animal for one viral disease and it gives a significant protective effect when they are challenged by a totally different virus which the vaccine shouldn't really work against.
Can also work against you with some viruses. Almost all of the symptoms are as a result of the immune system attacking the virus rather than the damage the virus does in itself. This was seen during the post WW1 influenza epidemic where it particularly killed the fittest people by causing something called a "cytokine storm" as part of the immune response. The young and elderly were less badly affected. Doesn't look lke that's happening here though.
Another feature of coronaviruses is they can undergo point mutations. We se this all the time in cats with a diease called Feline Infectious Peritonitis. Most cats contract a mild coronavirus of the gut at some point and show few, if any symptoms. In an unlucky few, it mutates to a highly virulent form that almost always kills them.
There is some talk of there being two sub-types of the COV19 virus. One causing milder symptoms than the other. It's not clear if there are two different strains going about or if some of them are undergoing a similar mutation to cause more virulent disease. If there are two strains, the next question is does having the mild form protect you from the severe form?
In any case, using a live RNA virus for a vaccine is not a fantastic idea due to that mutation risk. It's why an effective vaccine will take a while. They will almost certainly need to splice a bit of COV19 genetic material into a more stable virus that can't multiply in humans to make it trigger the immune system and show it parts of the COV19 bug. Then test it to make sure it doesn't cause any unexpected effects.
I do hope they are talking to veterinary virologists. they've been actively and intensely studying feline coronavirus for decades. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 21 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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