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PostPosted: 15:10 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Digging a trench. Reply with quote

I need to dig a shallow trench, 8m long, by hand, in sloping ground.

The botom needs to be flat and level. I've got a level, a brick line, some pegs and other odds and ends.

How to mark out & dig?
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you are getting near by eye, tap pegs in at intervals and use a strong bit of wood or similar over them with spirit level.
If it's just for foundations you can leave the pegs in and level hardore or concrete too them.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mattock will be good for the digging part of it, you'll get nice big lumps of earth / clay / ground which should be able to be lifted out by hand rather than needing to use a spade.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the trench for?

Digging is about the most basic simple task a man can perform. Push the spade into the ground, lever, lift, tip and repeat.

If you're going to use a mattock be sure there are no services. A spade is bad enough but you can swing a mattock though a cable no problem at all even if it's armoured.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
What's the trench for?

Digging is about the most basic simple task a man can perform. Push the spade into the ground, lever, lift, tip and repeat.

If you're going to use a mattock be sure there are no services. A spade is bad enough but you can swing a mattock though a cable no problem at all even if it's armoured.


I was thinking this too.

I suspect he is trying to dig the trench to keep the infected out?

Maybe a wall would be better Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

WreckTangle wrote:
Pete. wrote:
What's the trench for?

Digging is about the most basic simple task a man can perform. Push the spade into the ground, lever, lift, tip and repeat.

If you're going to use a mattock be sure there are no services. A spade is bad enough but you can swing a mattock though a cable no problem at all even if it's armoured.


I was thinking this too.

I suspect he is trying to dig the trench to keep the infected out?

Maybe a wall would be better Thinking


Both.

Dig a trench, fill it with water.

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PostPosted: 16:44 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Digging a trench. Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
I need to dig a shallow trench,?


Not for the dog is it? Wink



On a serious note, use a laser level like you use for levelling floor spaces.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you fasmiliar with manual labour? Only asking 'cos that's still quite a big trench, every muscle in your body will ache for weeks & lets not talk about the blisters . . .

Get a man in. Man + mini digger = £200 a day. My man would do that £100cash.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


Both.

Dig a trench, fill it with water.

Build high walls and what do you have? Somewhere safe. Thumbs Up

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I know where you're going with this. 😉

This is The Shitting From a High Place sort of parallel thread.

The towers and the moat was the clue. 👍
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
What's the trench for?

Digging is about the most basic simple task a man can perform. Push the spade into the ground, lever, lift, tip and repeat.

I'm digging out for an outbuilding base. It will be 6m x 5m (including a concrete "apron"). The idea is to trench, then dig out the rest to the same level. There may be a better way...

Digging is simple, but I don't want to do more than enough work, or have to make more concrete than I need.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


Both.

Dig a trench, fill it with water.

Build high walls and what do you have? Somewhere safe. Thumbs Up

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I know where you're going with this. 😉

This is The Shitting From a High Place sort of parallel thread.

The towers and the moat was the clue. 👍


I is smiling Smile

PS : not high enough.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself a water level , effectively a length clear tubing filled with water
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:


Digging is simple, but I don't want to do more than enough work, or have to make more concrete than I need.


Aah, so it's footings then. You're right that digging is simple, but footings for a building 6m X 5m is something totally different. You do know how far down to dig don't you? Or do you want the nice man from the building Reg's to tell you?

You don't know what you don't know, but then it's sooo simple to a chap like you that it's almost like anyone can do it.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Pete. wrote:
What's the trench for?

Digging is about the most basic simple task a man can perform. Push the spade into the ground, lever, lift, tip and repeat.

I'm digging out for an outbuilding base. It will be 6m x 5m (including a concrete "apron"). The idea is to trench, then dig out the rest to the same level. There may be a better way...

Digging is simple, but I don't want to do more than enough work, or have to make more concrete than I need.


You may get away with pouring straight onto the dirt depending on the substrate. Clay is good sandy soil not so good.
It depends on how much load the walls will bear if only a ground floor then not much depth for founds..

I poured the floor for my garage onto the dirt and its two cars long. (That's in USA metric. Smile).
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clay is good for building on......so long as you're building a tent.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


Both.

Dig a trench, fill it with water.

Build high walls and what do you have? Somewhere safe. Thumbs Up

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I know where you're going with this. 😉

This is The Shitting From a High Place sort of parallel thread.

The towers and the moat was the clue. 👍
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP said it was a base.
You can easily build a tent on a concrete base. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


Both.

Dig a trench, fill it with water.

Build high walls and what do you have? Somewhere safe. Thumbs Up

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I know where you're going with this. 😉

This is The Shitting From a High Place sort of parallel thread.

The towers and the moat was the clue. 👍


And you can get by with straw instead of bog paper. Sorted.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:
Aah, so it's footings then

No, it's not. It's what I said it is.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may get away with pouring straight onto the dirt depending on the substrate.

That's (without details) the thing. It's how to get it flat and level that's the thing. Pegs & level as ^ up there seem to be the way to go, say 3 trenches, then dig back across.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive my technical expression, but footings it is.

You're wanting a slab, or a raft, made of concrete to place a structure on, or maybe just the apron is concrete?

If you're cutting into a slope then you need to think about how you're going to retain the wall you're exposing. Depending on the height & stability of what you're holding back this retaining wall will need a foundation.

The slab, or raft itself will also need a foundation, this again depends on the stability of the ground. Please bear in mind that an MOT type hardcore foundation needs to be a minimum of 100mm to have any strength at all, 200mm-300mm is common, but it can need to be as much as 600mm.

Given any thought about drainage yet?

If you consider the height which your base needs to be & work downwards from there, then even basic math will soon tell you that you're going to need to move quite a lot of muck, hardcore & concrete to get even a rudimentary base for even the lightest of wood structures.

How familiar are you with manual labour?
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
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You may get away with pouring straight onto the dirt depending on the substrate.

That's (without details) the thing. It's how to get it flat and level that's the thing. Pegs & level as ^ up there seem to be the way to go, say 3 trenches, then dig back across.


To save digging too much the area can be shuttered (gaps filled with dirt to stop leaks)

The top of the shuttering made level ie use a scaffold plank or a lazer level so it is all at the same height above your plots Zero elevation. Then pour in your concrete.
Jaeger of mini-batch can deliver what you need to nearest tonne (maybe 1/2 tonne).
Cover then pour to keep rain off.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I laid a slab for a metal shed for my motorbike years ago. Used a concrete mixer to fill the hole I dug. It was bloody hard work.

When I wanted to add a wooden shed a few months later I went for the girly soft option. I used concrete edgings slightly bedded in the ground with a full dry concrete haunch on the outside and a lower one inside.

When the concrete had gone off I filled it with compacted sharp sand, then screeded the sand and filled it with 100x200x65mm concrete blocks. Wacked them down, sanded them and the shed is still sitting on it 25 years later. I built the ground up a little around the shed to make a level entry into it and to hide the concrete haunching.
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