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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
no requirement, no power


Sure they do. See section 8.

Bikers might feel wrestling a sports bike is valid exercise but we'd be hard-pressed to convince others. Being 40 miles from home and claiming to be on your way to the gym won't wash either.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are far better ways of [massive shouty text] at the moment.

You wanna ride I wanna ride ...we all want to ride.

There are members here on the forum who could make most traffic cops jibber with indecision should they get pulled over whilst 'exercising' and they are choosing not to use the bike.
Some well seasoned bike journalists were asked this very same question and they said the same. It's just not worth it at the moment.

It's an unstable form of transport with it's many drawbacks and that's part the reason we like them but I personally do not see adding to the problems in hospitals that they're currently going through as worth it.

In that slim chance you have an off where do you think you'll be going?
Covidsville.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
There are far better ways of [massive shouty text] at the moment.

You wanna ride I wanna ride ...we all want to ride.

There are members here on the forum who could make most traffic cops jibber with indecision should they get pulled over whilst 'exercising' and they are choosing not to use the bike.
Some well seasoned bike journalists were asked this very same question and they said the same. It's just not worth it at the moment.

It's an unstable form of transport with it's many drawbacks and that's part the reason we like them but I personally do not see adding to the problems in hospitals that they're currently going through as worth it.

In that slim chance you have an off where do you think you'll be going?
Covidsville
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Exactly. The last place anyone should want to go out of choice is hospital.

It's driving me up the wall being stuck in the house just like I suspect 90% of the population. At least at the moment we have some small choices. If the government chuck full lockdown at people because of idiots stretching the rules it will be a nightmare.

Lets not go there.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Making excuses for your selfish behaviour is one thing. Observing the anticoronavirus rules is a much better thing.

That is why I posted the rules.
See if you can get someone to explain them to you.
The law is very clear.
What you regard as selfish is irrelevant, just like the majority of your posts.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
sean5302 wrote:
no requirement, no power


Sure they do. See section 8.

Bikers might feel wrestling a sports bike is valid exercise but we'd be hard-pressed to convince others. Being 40 miles from home and claiming to be on your way to the gym won't wash either.


Police have no power to "stop and account".
This isn't Nazi Germany, papers please.
If I were stopped I'd simply not speak to plod. Then what?
What exactly could they do? Arrest me?
I'd then issue a county court claim for unlawful arrest and malicious prosecution, just like Marie Dinou (the lady stopped at Newcastle train station ) has done. She's likely to get £5k to £20k from plod's insureres.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-police-admit-wrongly-charging-21803611
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article doesn't say she's getting a pay out, and frankly if you can't explain why you're out and about in this crisis I have no sympathy.

Check out the videos of Indian police wielding canes to disperse people. The UK police brutality version is pouring water on a beach barbecue. "Oh, my feelings! Crying or Very sad"

I recall taking a short cut through a multi-storey car park in Oxford back in the '80s and being stop and searched by a passing Plod. He said there had been a spate of thefts from cars and since I had no car there I looked suspicious. I accepted it and went on my way. It's nothing new.

You're trying to use silence to justify obvious piss-taking. Be a man, not a child.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The article doesn't say she's getting a pay out, and frankly if you can't explain why you're out and about in this crisis I have no sympathy.

Check out the videos of Indian police wielding canes to disperse people. The UK police brutality version is pouring water on a beach barbecue. "Oh, my feelings! Crying or Very sad"

I recall taking a short cut through a multi-storey car park in Oxford back in the '80s and being stop and searched by a passing Plod. He said there had been a spate of thefts from cars and since I had no car there I looked suspicious. I accepted it and went on my way. It's nothing new.

You're trying to use silence to justify obvious piss-taking. Be a man, not a child.

What crisis?
Every single day, in the UK, 1600 people die and 1700 new babies are born.
If you believe the figures, we're getting around 140 extra deaths each day attributed to Covid19. Anyone dying seems to be getting recorded as a Covid death.
If any plod tries to tell me what to do, he's in for a battle which would probably end up in the county court.
They work for me. I pay their wages, as public servants.
They have no power over me until I break the law, which I published.
If they over-step the mark, good luck to them in court. That is being manly, not sheepish.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:55 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you'll thkweam and thkweam until you get what you want.

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PostPosted: 14:04 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a4tktGHbWY&t=2411s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huOhltxPvbQ

Very easy to sue thick Plod.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Baaaaaaaaa!
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have observed that the VAST majority of people will readily criticise and be judgemental of other people who break the rules but when it comes to themselves there's always a very good reason for them to be the exception to the rule. The question is to what degree a person breaks the rules and whether that is deemed acceptable and socially/morally ok. They will justify it to themselves and others by saying things like "but I'm not a moron like everyone else, I take sensible precautions" or "it's ok in my case as I didn't encounter anyone on the way or engage with anyone I just went straight there and straight back so no harm done". This is human nature. Nearly everyone will find an excuse or an exception for themselves while judging others.

Myself included. I have broken the rules a number of times in a minor way but justified it to myself and/or others. Although I do TRY not to be too judgemental of others, especially the stranger in the street as you don't know their circumstances or reasons for being out and about.

I just thinks to myself "what would Derek do?".

Be nice, that's all, just be nice.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
That is why I posted the rules.
See if you can get someone to explain them to you.


Sounds so much like / I'm going to have to say "/ sock"

And anyone who watches the 1.15hr video on how to sue the police is fair play.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Very easy to sue thick Plod.


Cant wait to see you featured in the next facebook lawyer compilation on youtube Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one who knows that the police revised the list of reasonable excuses 2 days ago? It's been in the news about 50 billion times.

Full details:https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf

Vague summary: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Anyone dying seems to be getting recorded as a Covid death.

I promise you, they are not.

My ex-husband was scrupulously checked for C19, both upon his arrival at hospital and upon his departure in a pine box. I have the paperwork confirming this, which arrived in his post a few days later.

Both were negative, and although there is going to be an inquest, the interim certificate of death from the coroner quite clearly states the actual reason.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have electric start on your bike, does that constitute exercise? Wink

Going further, I think Mr. Stinkwheel would confirm how much energy is expended doing a bit of green laning Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK rules seems to be much stricter than ours.
We weren't suggested to stay home before this weekend except central cities. And there's no punishment for breaking it. Hence many of them don't follow the rule and outbreak is rising these days.
Today I rode my bike very carefully cause being hospitalised for crashing is not acceptable. If the rule was like UK one, I won't ride either.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
UK rules seems to be much stricter than ours.
We weren't suggested to stay home before this weekend except central cities. And there's no punishment for breaking it. Hence many of them don't follow the rule and outbreak is rising these days.
Today I rode my bike very carefully cause being hospitalised for crashing is not acceptable. If the rule was like UK one, I won't ride either.


That's interesting. Where do you live?
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
UK rules seems to be much stricter than ours.
We weren't suggested to stay home before this weekend except central cities. And there's no punishment for breaking it. Hence many of them don't follow the rule and outbreak is rising these days.
Today I rode my bike very carefully cause being hospitalised for crashing is not acceptable. If the rule was like UK one, I won't ride either.

You keep to what rules you have, and good luck.

What particular precautions is Japan taking? Is there any "surveillance" activity, for tracking and tracing, as there is in some other places?
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
What particular precautions is Japan taking? Is there any "surveillance" activity, for tracking and tracing, as there is in some other places?


The UK would be the country best able to put this into practice as apparently we're the most CCTV recorded country in the world.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuberculosis wrote:
kawashima wrote:
UK rules seems to be much stricter than ours.
We weren't suggested to stay home before this weekend except central cities. And there's no punishment for breaking it. Hence many of them don't follow the rule and outbreak is rising these days.
Today I rode my bike very carefully cause being hospitalised for crashing is not acceptable. If the rule was like UK one, I won't ride either.


That's interesting. Where do you live?

I live in Japan Mie prefecture.
I believe Mr. Abe is afraid of economy shrink and doesn't force us to stay home (only suggestion).
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
I live in Japan Mie prefecture.
I believe Mr. Abe is afraid of economy shrink and doesn't force us to stay home (only suggestion).


To be fair I think it's a fine balancing act.

Working on the basis that at least 80% of us will get it sooner or later regardless of how stringent the lockdown measures you take (working on the basis that the other 20% will already be immune)... You have to accept that inevitable and play the numbers. Knowing that if you're going to get it, you're going to get it, it's not a game of trying to stop people getting it, it's a game of trying to slow down the infection rate so that it does not saturate and overload our health care systems. Although governments will not come out and say this, they want as many people to get it (and recover) as fast as possible while not overwhelming the health service. Thereby getting it over and done with as quickly as possible so as to have as little and impact as possible on the economy. I'm not sure what the situation is in Japan but so long as the hospitals aren't literally full to the brim I think this is a good stance for the Japanese government to have.

The UK government is being slated by some in the media for not taking it seriously enough and not implementing measures soon enough but the reports I've seen is that hospitals aren't at 100% capacity yet, more like 85%, in which case I think they've got it spot on.

Like I said just need to get everyone infected and recover as soon as possible without overwhelming the hospitals so as not to cause unnecessary deaths by people dying where they otherwise would have pulled through if they'd had they care and ventilators they need.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
You keep to what rules you have, and good luck.

What particular precautions is Japan taking? Is there any "surveillance" activity, for tracking and tracing, as there is in some other places?

They suggest us to avoid below three.
-Closed space
-Crowded space
-Being close to other
Governor of Tokyo told them not to go to night clubs, eating dinner with customers etc. And requested them to "stay home".
There is a consecutive holidays called golden week from end of April, and Mr. Abe is telling us not to go back to our home town. I also follow this.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the situation with hospital beds and ventilator availability?
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