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DexterKane
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: YBR 125 Custom front brake freeplay Reply with quote
Doing a few last bits to this before I sell it now I have some time on my hands.

Front brake is pretty flappy. Have to pull it back a long way to get it to engage. Had a new disc and pads at the last MOT. Brake fluid looks pretty fresh although is filled up quite far beyond the line. Tried tying the brake lever back overnight to get rid of any air in the system but didn't any difference.

Any ideas how I can get it to sharpen up?

Thank you!
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
If bleeding it doesnt solve the problem your master seaks are fucked.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brake pipe attempting to do an impression of a balloon animal?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
How many miles have you done on the new disk/pads?
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
+1 for installing a set of braided lines, followed by new seals.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If bleeding it doesnt solve the problem your master seaks are fucked.


Thanks for all the replies everyone. Just be clear are we talking about a master cylinder overhaul?
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
How many miles have you done on the new disk/pads?


About 1500. It's always been a bit loose though.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
DexterKane wrote:
Thanks for all the replies everyone. Just be clear are we talking about a master cylinder overhaul?

If it's spongy, first do what Nobby said, and bleed it.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 28 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
DexterKane wrote:
Thanks for all the replies everyone. Just be clear are we talking about a master cylinder overhaul?

If it's spongy, first do what Nobby said, and bleed it.


Cool will try that first. Master cylinder looks quite fiddly.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
DexterKane wrote:
Thanks for all the replies everyone. Just be clear are we talking about a master cylinder overhaul?

If it's spongy, first do what Nobby said, and bleed it.


Hi all,

Just bled this front brake and the fluid leaked out of the seal that sits just before bleed nipple.

Pumped some fluid through nonetheless but as expected it's the same as before. I guess this would point to the seals on the caliper needing replacing right?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
DexterKane wrote:
Just bled this front brake and the fluid leaked out of the seal that sits just before bleed nipple

What is that?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
DexterKane wrote:
Just bled this front brake and the fluid leaked out of the seal that sits just before bleed nipple

What is that?


Half the fluid came out the bleed nipple, the other half seemed to leak out the base of it.

Should I upload a pic or does make sense?

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PostPosted: 20:57 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
DexterKane wrote:
Half the fluid came out the bleed nipple, the other half seemed to leak out the base of it

The bleed nipple is basically just a screw-in hollow needle valve. Have you bled brakes before? Here is a short video of an annoying person bleeding a front brake. He mentions the issue with "seepage" you are having.

https://youtu.be/fUWO0SQX6-U

Here's a pictire of a bleed nipple. You can see the hole where the brake fluid runs into the central hole of the nipple, and also the sloped seat of the needle valve.

https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/goodridge-speed-bleeder-bleed-nipple-g-bn

Note: You should not do these things up very very tight. Nipping them up so that they don't leak and won't come loose is enough, lest you damage the seat that the nipple meets.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
DexterKane wrote:
Half the fluid came out the bleed nipple, the other half seemed to leak out the base of it

The bleed nipple is basically just a screw-in hollow needle valve. Have you bled brakes before? Here is a short video of an annoying person bleeding a front brake. He mentions the issue with "seepage" you are having.

https://youtu.be/fUWO0SQX6-U

Here's a pictire of a bleed nipple. You can see the hole where the brake fluid runs into the central hole of the nipple, and also the sloped seat of the needle valve.

https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/goodridge-speed-bleeder-bleed-nipple-g-bn


Note: You should not do these things up very very tight. Nipping them up so that they don't leak and won't come loose is enough, lest you damage the seat that the nipple meets.


Yeah I've already watched that one actually! I cracked it about a quarter to half a turn and it still seeped everywhere.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
"""Yeah I've already watched that one actually! I cracked it about a quarter to half a turn and it still seeped everywhere."""

Sounds like worn threads, you may have to use heavy grease or non setting silicone around that area so you have less chance of air going back in.
Also you may have to crack open and shut the banjo bolts a little whilst under pressure to release any trapped air.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
jaffa90 wrote:
"""Yeah I've already watched that one actually! I cracked it about a quarter to half a turn and it still seeped everywhere."""

Sounds like worn threads, you may have to use heavy grease or non setting silicone around that area so you have less chance of air going back in.
Also you may have to crack open and shut the banjo bolts a little whilst under pressure to release any trapped air.


Hmmmm. So basically the caliper is pretty knackered then? That sounds like a messy job that's got a pretty small chance of going right if I attempt it Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I take it the YBR doesn't have adjustable levers?

Can you see the pads move as soon as you press the lever, then just take a lot more of a press to firm them up on the disc?

How old is the standard rubber brake hose? Are both banjo bolts tight?


Nope, non adjustable.

Brakes do work, just the lever needs to be pulled right in to do so. Perhaps even slightly worse since I mucked about with them yesterday.

Hose has probably never been replaced - it's a 2011 bike. As far as I'm aware the bolts are tight. There are no leaks or anything, just very spongy.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
DexterKane wrote:

Hose has probably never been replaced - it's a 2011 bike. As far as I'm aware the bolts are tight. There are no leaks or anything, just very spongy.

Thanks!


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PostPosted: 11:11 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I take it the YBR doesn't have adjustable levers?

Can you see the pads move as soon as you press the lever, then just take a lot more of a press to firm them up on the disc?

How old is the standard rubber brake hose? Are both banjo bolts tight?


Just doubled checked and the calliper mechanism does start to move when the lever is engaged.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
pepperami wrote:
DexterKane wrote:

Hose has probably never been replaced - it's a 2011 bike. As far as I'm aware the bolts are tight. There are no leaks or anything, just very spongy.

Thanks!


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I'm selling it, so unless there's anything to indicate there's anything wrong with the hose I won't bother replacing it Smile
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
>8yo hose on low end bike.... no, move along nothing to see here Smile

After sorting your nipple problem (ooo-errr!) maybe try a reverse flush. Then admit defeat and buy a new brake pipe.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Then you either have air in the system, a leaking seal or expanding brake hose"

Might get a new caliper for it then. Doesn't seem much point rebuilding it if the bleed nipple thread might be knackered.

Is there any way to check if the hose is knackered before replacing it?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
>8yo hose on low end bike.... no, move along nothing to see here Smile

After sorting your nipple problem (ooo-errr!) maybe try a reverse flush. Then admit defeat and buy a new brake pipe.


OK fair enough looks like it's time!
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