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sean5302
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you BTTD I agree with your comment.
The reality is that German Law requires the owner to pay any speeding fines, unlike UK law which send a notice of intended prosecution to the registered keeper, who is then obliged to disclose the rider or be subject to a "fail to furnish" prosecution (IN10 and 6 points).

You may see the difficulty. The owner may well not have been the rider or the RK.
Precisely, how would German plod prove who was riding?

The same law applies in France, Belgium, Spain and many other countries. If you return and cctv pings your plate, so what?
You just tell plod to contact the owner (who may or may not be the UK registered keeper). If they get difficult, the word you want is
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

"All human life is sacred!"

But no one in power wants to actually admit: 'fraid not, chum, admittedly it's desirable but it's not the be-all and end-all...

60/70mph speed limit? "x" number of people die due to poor judgement but "y" amount of money is saved/made due to increased productivity. It's a simple equation. The ideologues howl that "speed kills" without challenge because "speed is fun, speed makes money" sounds cruel and mercenary. There has to be a balance somewhere or the world grinds to a halt.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Class "whataboutery".
You try to conflate a licensed, experienced, competent rider who makes a valid risk assessment with someone who is neither competent nor capable due to alcohol.

It is perfectly legal to ride at 150mph only some miles away on the autobahn.
It is certainly not legal to ride anywhere with your stomach containing 5 pints of beer.

Don't you comprehend the difference?


The point I'm trying to make is that if you ignore legal speed limits then the choice of your personal limit becomes subjective.

For example, a rider chooses to go at 150mph because he/she decides that he/she is experienced, competent, and has made a valid risk assessment.

How experienced is 'experienced'? How is the risk assessment 'valid' ? The answer is that it exists only in the riders mind.

It is illegal to drive having consumed 2 pints, but people will say 'I'm a big guy, I've had a meal, drink doesn't affect me as much, I feel perfectly able to drive etc. etc.' to justify it to themselves.

Can you not see the similarities?
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You started off so well, but it all went downhill from there.
1. I agree that the rider makes the risk assessment. The only person I need to convince is me. If I'm wrong I suffer the consequences. Nobody is better placed to make my risk assessment at that time than I am.
Not the council, not a politician and not plod.
2."It is illegal to drive having consumed 2 pints".
Completely, unarguably wrong.
The maximum BAC (blood alcohol content) limit in England & Wales is:
35 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath; or
80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood or
107 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine.

The maximum BAC (blood alcohol content) limit in Scotland is:
22 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath; or
50 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood or
67 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine

BAC limits vary across the rest of the world.

3. I have never tried to conflate taking legitimate risk assessment of what I consider is a sensible speed with that of recklessly endangering lives, including my own, by being intoxicated.
Fortunately, I am the one of the two of us who actually does know what the BAC limits are.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
You started off so well, but it all went downhill from there.
1. I agree that the rider makes the risk assessment. The only person I need to convince is me. If I'm wrong I suffer the consequences. Nobody is better placed to make my risk assessment at that time than I am.
Not the council, not a politician and not plod.
2."It is illegal to drive having consumed 2 pints".
Completely, unarguably wrong.
The maximum BAC (blood alcohol content) limit in England & Wales is:
35 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath; or
80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood or
107 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine.

The maximum BAC (blood alcohol content) limit in Scotland is:
22 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath; or
50 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood or
67 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine

BAC limits vary across the rest of the world.

3. I have never tried to conflate taking legitimate risk assessment of what I consider is a sensible speed with that of recklessly endangering lives, including my own, by being intoxicated.
Fortunately, I am the one of the two of us who actually does know what the BAC limits are.


I'm not sure what sort of piss you drink but a pint and a half of Stella drunk over the average hour lunchtime will put you over the limit.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely wrong.
You don't know my body mass.
You don't know my metabolic rate.
You don't know where I live.
You don't know whether I've drunk on an empty stomach or along with a massive lunch.

Most people ask questions before making statements.
It stops them looking completely stupid.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I'm not sure what sort of piss you drink but a pint and a half of Stella...

... is piss.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

These things do have an effect but its marginal at best.

The uk limit is based on 3 units. A unit is the amount your liver can process an hour. Unless your liver is fucked, most people would process it at roughly the same rate.

The amount of food in your stomach doesnt affect the rate you absorb alcohol into the bloodstream or metabolize it using your liver.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
These things do have an effect but its marginal at best.

The uk limit is based on 3 units. A unit is the amount your liver can process an hour. Unless your liver is fucked, most people would process it at roughly the same rate.

The amount of food in your stomach doesnt affect the rate you absorb alcohol into the bloodstream or metabolize it using your liver.


Complete and utter rubbish.
I've already told you that there isn't a UK limit.
The limit in Scotland is much lower than that in England, for example.
Alcohol is absorbed through the lining of the stomach and the rate of absorption markedly depends on what else is there, principally food.
Women have much less capacity for alcohol than men, which is why their recommended limits are lower.
Not too good at this, are you?
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a twat indeed, empty motorway and only doing 150?? Why wasn't he going faster?
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
These things do have an effect but its marginal at best.

The uk limit is based on 3 units. A unit is the amount your liver can process an hour. Unless your liver is fucked, most people would process it at roughly the same rate.

The amount of food in your stomach doesnt affect the rate you absorb alcohol into the bloodstream or metabolize it using your liver.


Complete and utter rubbish.
I've already told you that there isn't a UK limit.
The limit in Scotland is much lower than that in England, for example.
Alcohol is absorbed through the lining of the stomach and the rate of absorption markedly depends on what else is there, principally food.
Women have much less capacity for alcohol than men, which is why their recommended limits are lower.
Not too good at this, are you?


There is a uk limit. The Scottish government decided to set a lower limit. If the Scottish government decided to repeal their law then Scotland will default to the uk limit.

The drink driving limit is the same for women. This has nothing to do with the suggested safe limits for weekly consumption for men and women.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

One wondered what the small intestine does.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The UK is composed of England, Scotland, northern Ireland and Wales.
If you ride in Scotland with the English permitted maximum level of alcohol in your system you'll commit an offence. QED there isn't a UK limit.

I told you the suggested alcohol limits for men and women. The latter is lower because their metabolism is different to that of men and their body mass is usually lower. If they drink as much as we do the alcohol concentration in their bloodstream rises higher and faster than ours.


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PostPosted: 20:54 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
One wondered what the small intestine does.


Did one?

Maybe one would care to remind oneself where the vast majority of liquids are absorbed.
I'll give you a clue.
It begins with stom and ends with ach.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the 21 and 14 units were selected at random and have no basis in science.

You are trying to continue a fallacy that women are inferior to men.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Actually the 21 and 14 units were selected at random and have no basis in science.

You are trying to continue a fallacy that women are inferior to men.


I'm afraid you're wrong again.
Alcohol is a poison. If newly marketed these days it would probably be banned.

Women are neither superior nor inferior to men and I have never made that assertion. Isn't English your first language or didn't you listen much at school?


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PostPosted: 20:58 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
One wondered what the small intestine does.


Did one?

Maybe one would care to remind oneself where the vast majority of liquids are absorbed.
I'll give you a clue.
It begins with stom and ends with ach.


Food isnt a liquid. Alcohol is. 60 years of science and some quite clever QCs.havent managed to get round the link between consumption and blood alcohol level.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food isnt a liquid. Alcohol is. 60 years of science and some quite clever QCs.havent managed to get round the link between consumption and blood alcohol level.[/quote]

Food is carbohydrate, protein, fat, mineral salts, vitamins and water.
Drinking alcohol is normally 95% to 99% water.
The only person who mentioned food was you.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a clue.

Food (nutrients) are absorbed by the upper intestine. The alcohol can be as well. Food held in the stomach because your upper intestine wont be absorbed by your stomach but alcohol will.

The amount you eat has virtually no effect on blood /alcohol level. If it did 60 years of case law would have proved it.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:

The only person who mentioned food was you.


You're the one who mentioned food.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
These things do have an effect but its marginal at best.

The uk limit is based on 3 units. A unit is the amount your liver can process an hour. Unless your liver is fucked, most people would process it at roughly the same rate.

The amount of food in your stomach doesnt affect the rate you absorb alcohol into the bloodstream or metabolize it using your liver.


Complete and utter rubbish.
I've already told you that there isn't a UK limit.
The limit in Scotland is much lower than that in England, for example.
Alcohol is absorbed through the lining of the stomach and the rate of absorption markedly depends on what else is there, principally food.
Women have much less capacity for alcohol than men, which is why their recommended limits are lower.
Not too good at this, are you?


This one.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Speeding. Reply with quote

Surely you only go that far that fast in the UK once going up the other way to check it. Find a nice bit of away that has no bridges and only one exit and then go play.

Knowing that 150+ puts you in prison and ban territory would send me to track!

Arguing about skills and technique is a bit like the wheelie dead boys wizout hats bro!
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sean5302 wrote:
Complete and utter rubbish.
I've already told you that there isn't a UK limit.
The limit in Scotland is much lower than that in England, for example.
Alcohol is absorbed through the lining of the stomach and the rate of absorption markedly depends on what else is there, principally food.
Women have much less capacity for alcohol than men, which is why their recommended limits are lower.
Not too good at this, are you?


I think you'll find that you are wrong. Recommended limits for men and women are the same in the UK, 14 units.

And I'm fully aware of the blood alcohol content limits in the UK. Correlating it to pints drunk is only an approximation. I know of someone who blew over 35mg after having only one pint, because he was unwell at the time and his system was fighting infection.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did someone mention food?
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheIncredibleSulk wrote:
bhinso wrote:
This thread escalated quickly.


As most seemingly do!

Naaaaahhhhh.
Sometimes it trundles along happily for several hundred pages before someone kicks off.
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