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I struggle to see how anyone who isn't working can afford to smoke nowadays.

What is it, £10 a packet, so 20 a day ends up at £300 a month. I couldn't afford to smoke on my pension.


Oh do quit with the whining and preaching, Mr. Perfect! Laughing

Besides, haven't you ever heard of hand rolling tobacco? Wink
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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I struggle to see how anyone who isn't working can afford to smoke nowadays.

What is it, £10 a packet, so 20 a day ends up at £300 a month. I couldn't afford to smoke on my pension.


Oh do quit with the whining and preaching, Mr. Perfect! Laughing

Besides, haven't you ever heard of hand rolling tobacco? Wink


I used to smoke like a chimney. Marlboro reds, up to 60 a day. However when I smoked you could buy 200 on ship for the amazing price of £1.80. At the end they had only just got to £5 for 200.

Then Shell started their cleanup campaign. You were allowed only 2 cans of beer per day, random breath testing, no smoking outside the Officers bar, including cabins and engine room and bridge.

Within a year that became no booze and no smoking on ship. I and everyone else had the choice quit smoking or quit working.

I quit smoking. It was nothing to do with being Mr. Perfect I assure you. SOme people actually quit their job over it though.

I still, 20 years on, fancy a fag at times.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Should booze be rationed or banned? What else should we take a swing at?
I want weed and psychedelics legalised, so we're headed in opposite directions Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Should booze be rationed or banned? What else should we take a swing at?
I want weed and psychedelics legalised, so we're headed in opposite directions Laughing


Me, ban booze, fcuk off. I keep Captain Morgan's employees in a job.

My point was solely I cannot see how people can afford to smoke on the dole! I don't give a sh1t if the don't eat to keep smoking or drinking as long as it doesn't affect anyone else - kids etc - or cost tax payers extra when they can't pay their rent.

Drugs? tried it and never really enjoyed it. When I was in the burns unit i had ketamine intravenously as pain control and was off my face. Hated every second. I didn't even know what planet I was on and I don't like that feeling.

Saying that I'm pro legalisation. Might as well tax the addicts rather than Mr.Big get it.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Saying that I'm pro legalisation. Might as well tax the addicts rather than Mr.Big get it.


Hand I said weed and psychedelics, not everything.
I didn't get addicted to weed - leastways, when I couldn't get it anymore I had no problems.
And psychedelics aren't addictive. They can be a very effective treatment for all kinds of psychological problems, used carefully. Or so recent studies show. Besides other benefits I believe they can have, from reading about them.
There can be horror stories with the latter too though, so I'm not suggesting complete freedom in their use. Supervised by relevant professionals perhaps. Still, they perhaps need a bit more research yet. Thankfully, that is now being allowed, away from the "drugs are bad!" dogma. Personally, I'd be interested in the benefits of microdosing. Apparently there are quite a few folks in the big tech. companies who use them in this way.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
I'd be interested in the benefits of microdosing.


Have you had a look at the Imperial College psychedelics study?
They are doing research into just such sort of things, I understand.
You could certainly make enquiries.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/psychedelic-research-centre/research/

I got in with them six months or so back when I commenced on my "psychedelic experimentation" project and have done a couple of questionnaires, in the obscure hope that they will offer me a place on their mushrooms research study.

Got to provide your own drugs, I think, doeeeeee Laughing
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The only way Labour is going to get back in is down the blue labour route, i.e. adopting some conservative policies. Blair did that, and sir Kier seems very much like Blair 2.0.

Filling the shadow cabinet with BAME's might virtue signal but probably won't help them get elected.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
hellkat wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
I'd be interested in the benefits of microdosing.


Have you had a look at the Imperial College psychedelics study?
They are doing research into just such sort of things, I understand.
You could certainly make enquiries.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/psychedelic-research-centre/research/

I got in with them six months or so back when I commenced on my "psychedelic experimentation" project and have done a couple of questionnaires, in the obscure hope that they will offer me a place on their mushrooms research study.

Got to provide your own drugs, I think, doeeeeee Laughing


Thank for that, interesting.
I haven't read any papers, but i've read and heard lectures by some involved in such research.
It's not something I'm actively chasing - just something I'd be interested in trying if it was readily available.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
The only way Labour is going to get back in is down the blue labour route, i.e. adopting some conservative policies. Blair did that, and sir Kier seems very much like Blair 2.0.

Filling the shadow cabinet with BAME's might virtue signal but probably won't help them get elected.


Don't you think the political landscape has substantially changed since then though? So I'm not sure a return to something exactly like Blair's New Labour would work for them now.
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They just need a charismatic leader with the gift of the gab. The latter tends to come naturally with those in the legal profession (or having a spouse in the profession, such as Blair).

It appears that Starmer's knighthood was for "services to law and criminal justice", i.e. doing his job. Time will tell, but he may well prove to be as charismatic as Blair was.
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It appears that Starmer's knighthood was for "services to law and criminal justice", i.e. doing his job. Time will tell, but he may well prove to be as charismatic as Blair was.


Gotta say, I'm interested to see how he pans out for them. He still has quite a task to get their house in order.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was a bit surprised to be honest.

They elected a privileged White hetrosexual male.

They're going to have to do some serious BAME appeasement to balance that out.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
Time will tell, but he may well prove to be as charismatic as Blair was.


I think he has less charisma than a potato.

His professional background is very good though. His career has been based on arguing for/against a situation via the British legal framework, which is exactly what a politician should know about before they step in and try to make changes to that legal framework.

Will be interesting, I think.
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bhinso wrote:
Time will tell, but he may well prove to be as charismatic as Blair was.


I think he has less charisma than a potato.

His professional background is very good though. His career has been based on arguing for/against a situation via the British legal framework, which is exactly what a politician should know about before they step in and try to make changes to that legal framework.

Will be interesting, I think.


Totally agree with you. He comes across to me as a competent total non entity. Basically what I would expect a top civil servant to be like. Another personality vacuum.

I just don't know with Labour any more.

Talking about politicians, one person who I have sort of acquired respect for is Rishi Sunak. I think he has come across really well in the crisis. I thought Boris had fcuked up losing Savid Javed but this bloke seems much more on the ball.
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I'd rather a competent personality vacuum where politicians are concerned, than an incompetent but charismatic personality. Some will have certain figures in mind, but I'm not going there! Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
I'd rather a competent personality vacuum where politicians are concerned, than an incompetent but charismatic personality. Some will have certain figures in mind, but I'm not going there! Laughing


You mean exactly the opposite of our current esteemed leader? Although to be fair the government does seem to be fairly rudderless without him.
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I'm. Not. Going there!
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
I struggle to see how anyone who isn't working can afford to smoke nowadays.

What is it, £10 a packet, so 20 a day ends up at £300 a month. I couldn't afford to smoke on my pension.


Oh do quit with the whining and preaching, Mr. Perfect! Laughing

Besides, haven't you ever heard of hand rolling tobacco? Wink


What's 2oz of Drum set you back nowadays? Not surprising I used to hack up a bit of blood smoking a pack a day!!!
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Dunno, I'm on the L&B at a bit under 11 quid for 30g. Lasts me about a week. Golden Virginia is about £15 for 30g.

I've never really taken it down deep (except when I smoked weed), more like smoking a cigar with me.
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What's 2oz of Drum set you back nowadays? Not surprising I used to hack up a bit of blood smoking a pack a day!!!


About £25 on line.
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Polarbear wrote:
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What's 2oz of Drum set you back nowadays? Not surprising I used to hack up a bit of blood smoking a pack a day!!!


About £25 on line.


Fuck a duck, I used to buy it in bulk from the boys off the fishing boats, 2 quid a pack.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just being Devil's Advocate...

bhinso wrote:
I was a bit surprised to be honest.

They elected a privileged White hetrosexual male.

They're going to have to do some serious BAME appeasement to balance that out.


They can do that internally.

Maybe it dawned on them that those are the sort of leaders their floating voters who drifted to the right are looking for: that regardless of the multiculturalism of the shadow cabinet or the rank and file, what the figurehead must look like to entice the voters back.

I suspect that someone somewhere had the nous to realise that they had diversified TOO far, and that the public who had voted with their feet WANTED a patriarchical* leader.



*Possibly I made that word up.
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For avoidance of doubt, do those who're saying services should be nationalised think that Network Rail are doing a good job?
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For avoidance of doubt, do those who're saying services should be nationalised think that Network Rail are doing a good job?


I haven't been very impressed by Network rail but then I think they are somewhat hamstrung by the whole arrangement.

I'm much more inclined to want either nationalised or private. The stupid arrangement at the moment seems the worst of both worlds. Let the companies look after their whole system and see how good or bad it is.

Me, I'm surprisingly onside for nationalised rail (and canals Whistle )
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We just didn't seem to be all that good at nationalised industries in this country. Does anyone think we'd do better now?
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