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PostPosted: 07:42 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: 'New' bike purchase... Reply with quote

Under the new Covid 19 rules about essential journeys I'm a little curious how sales of bikes can continue? (I'm ignoring sales to essential workers for transport reasons) I have visions of people leaving bikes on drives so people can inspect them,negotiating a deal from a distance then throwing bags of cash 2m to the seller who chucks the v5 across, before the bike gets loaded into a van and driven home down back lanes to avoid police road blocks...
Yet the Internet is still full of people selling 'projects'....
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think people need to be a little bit less self riteous about some things. (following solo walkers with drones, publically shaming people sittinbg on a park bench, police wandering round supermarkets checking what people have in their baskets) . It's getting toxic, more so than the virus.

I'm certain I could buy and pickup a second hand bike without coming within 10 feet of a single solitary human.

There's "rules" and there is common sense.

If that oppinion is "selfish" and "putting others at risk", I'd like to hear a credible reason why, not just because it's "the rules"

They make "rules" simple and broad because people can't be relied upon to make a sensible risk assessment themselves and because if you give them an inch, they'll take a holiday at the seaside. But I see it as like putting a 40 limit on a quiet twisty country road. It's a rule for people who can't drive, not for me.

In any case buying a bike locally off ebay, paypaling the money across, getting the V5 electronically then loading it into a van off the end of someones drive is a pretty low-risk activity in my book.
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I think people need to be a little bit less self riteous about some things. (following solo walkers with drones, publically shaming people sittinbg on a park bench, police wandering round supermarkets checking what people have in their baskets) . It's getting toxic, more so than the virus.

I'm certain I could buy and pickup a second hand bike without coming within 10 feet of a single solitary human.

There's "rules" and there is common sense.

If that oppinion is "selfish" and "putting others at risk", I'd like to hear a credible reason why, not just because it's "the rules"

They make "rules" simple and broad because people can't be relied upon to make a sensible risk assessment themselves and because if you give them an inch, they'll take a holiday at the seaside. But I see it as like putting a 40 limit on a quiet twisty country road. It's a rule for people who can't drive, not for me.

In any case buying a bike locally off ebay, paypaling the money across, getting the V5 electronically then loading it into a van off the end of someones drive is a pretty low-risk activity in my book.


I agree completely, and if buying blind, you can get he bike delivered by a courier, that can also be paid using a variety of online payment options, again, without any human contact.

Not quite the same example, but, I had a bike couriered from north Manchester down to Wolves yesterday, for the princely sum of £70, same day delivery at that !!. This wasn't from buying a bike blind, but, just getting a bike I'd stored at my dad's, but, it's the same principle.

it is very easy to buy a bike, without any direct human contact.

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.....the bike gets loaded into a van and driven home down back lanes to avoid police road blocks...
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What road blocks? I've not witnessed any roadblocks myself, also, from what I can gather, they are generally targeting vehicles that have more than 1 person in them, I suspect they are more likely to be people visiting friends or family, or a family/couple going for a day out.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

That’s pretty much my logic as well - common sense. I see little wrong with the concept personally, but having read and seen some over righteous chumps I’m simply interested!
I am aware of police stopping and turning around cars though - I work in Cumbria yet live in North / Mid Wales. Both areas are turning cars around and sending them home if seen as ‘tourist’ use - Lancashire Police seem particularly keen on enforcement from what I’ve read. It does mean that the roads are quiet though - my trip to the supermarket yesterday was rather speedier than normal!
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if anyone's done any tests on the plastic money: does the virus cling to it better than the old paper notes? Brings a whole new meaning to "laundering money" Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going by news reports, there clearly isn't a lockdown in place, and the only REALLY Aimportant thing to do is to stop sunbathers and people going to the Lake District. International flights, ferry travel and Eurotunnel are fine though. So the policy here is herd immunity on the hush-hush. The only guaranteed safe bet outcome here is total economic collapse. Some people will have bought options in advance, and they won't want to cash in too early, so a few more weeks will be needed to inflict the most profit. There was never a plan to implement testing, was there. Well, that's handy: just run some care home/hospital tests when you feel like whipping up public panic.

I am extremely sceptical of these lockdown measures. In all honesty, I thought they would suspend all international travel. Superspreaders, not sunbathers, are what you want to stop. Instead we have the veneer of being seen to do something while not disadvantaging the people you shouldn't mess with. This has, slowly, become clear over the past couple of weeks.

If you look, there are gaping holes in the regs and you could drive a bus right through them. If deliveries are still given a tacit pass, and you don't need a govt licence to be a courier (to your own address), then collections must also be allowed (as selling or buying a bike is your work that can't be done from home that day), so there's your bike buying or selling covered.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my world of canals you just have to see the bile being thrown about by the livaboard boaters who seem to think the canal towpath is their own personal path and no one else should be on it 'incase you kill me'.

Utterly utterly ridiculous accusations when there is no more risk than going anywhere else.

'But the towpath isn't wide enough for social distancing when passing'. Neither is a pavement or a path but as long as you are sensible it can be OK.

If the government think too many wankers are being too stupid they will implement a total lockdown. Till then being sensible and carrying on with life as best you can is fine in my view.

Trouble is, it isn't in so many others and shop to the police seems to becoming very popular.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Trouble is, it isn't in so many others and shop to the police seems to becoming very popular.


I'll happily say I shopped a party the other day. As you say, no common sense. I don't care if you're out for an all day walk, you're not infecting hald the town.

I Howwever, I do care if 50+ people are rammed in a tiny back garden at midnight and I still have to get up for work at 04:45 the next day. To be fair, the lass on the line insinuated it wasn't the first call about it by a long shot. The bloke that owns the house should know better than to tell all the neighbours to fuck off, because he'll do what he wants.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Trouble is, it isn't in so many others and shop to the police seems to becoming very popular.


I'll happily say I shopped a party the other day. As you say, no common sense. I don't care if you're out for an all day walk, you're not infecting hald the town.

I Howwever, I do care if 50+ people are rammed in a tiny back garden at midnight and I still have to get up for work at 04:45 the next day. To be fair, the lass on the line insinuated it wasn't the first call about it by a long shot. The bloke that owns the house should know better than to tell all the neighbours to fuck off, because he'll do what he wants.


Oh of course. I'd do the same.

Even when this is officially over I'm going to have to be very convinced to go to somewhere where there are large groups of people. I love my football and rugby. I can't see a situation where I'll be going back to a stadium with thousands of other people again.

Even among friends I'll probably be very circumspect about who I mix with.

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PostPosted: 20:29 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sold a bike last week, just did so as normal. We didn't shake hands was all.

Neighbours were bitching about it on Facebook within 10 minutes Laughing

The only bad interaction with old bill you can have is travelling to the bike. Once you bought it and loaded up then why give a shit if you get stopped.... £30 fine added to ££££ the bike cost.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 14 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brother bought a bike last week. Arrived at the guys house, everyone wash their hands and kept a decent distance. Paid by bank transfer and rode it home. No issues.

Easy-X wrote:
I wonder if anyone's done any tests on the plastic money: does the virus cling to it better than the old paper notes? Brings a whole new meaning to "laundering money" Very Happy


I think it lasts as long on fabric as it does plastic. As you say though, at least you can wash the new notes.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 19 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I wonder if anyone's done any tests on the plastic money: does the virus cling to it better than the old paper notes? Brings a whole new meaning to "laundering money" Very Happy


From what I understand it does cling to the new plastic money for longer, having said that it's easier to disinfect so...



With regards to buying/selling a bike though, I don't think any action can be taken against you selling a bike, as for travelling to collect it as the buyer if you're smart enough you could come up with a hundred excuses. If you're a key worker you could argue you need to replace your old unreliable vehicle because it's become too expensive and you can't afford it any more so need to change it. Even if you're not a key worker but aren't in an industry where you're able to work from home, you could make the same argument because you still need to get to and from work. EVEN if you do work from home you could make the same argument because you still need to get to and from the shops etc. Most plods will probably see through your excuses but disproving them would be very difficult.
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