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PostPosted: 23:39 - 16 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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The only bread I make is brown bread, also known in the UK

As soda bread.

No yeast required, however butter milk is as is whole meal self raising flour which I have about 1.5kg of .


You can use soured milk instead of buttermilk. Just add a little white vinegar or lemon juice.


Thanks I’ll try that, it’s normally only the bigger shops that sell butter milk.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do this for scones. Warm some milk in the micro, warm, not hot.
Squirt of lemon, fresh or Jif style, both are fine. Use the solids.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonights tea. Turns out pzza dough is perfectly fine using plain flour.

I used the last of my strong white for one and plain for the other. Standard white loaf recipe with olive oil substituted for butter. The strong white was more deep pan. The plain was more thin and crispy.

Left them in the mixer kneading longer this time until the dough was very relaxed, almost flowing through my fingers. it would have made a crappy loaf but was perfect for stretching out for a pizza base after proving. Just hung it over my fist.

Plain flour on left, strong white flour on right. All other parts of the cooking and prep identical.

https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/cimg2257.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Tonights tea. Turns out pzza dough is perfectly fine using plain flour.

I used the last of my strong white for one and plain for the other. Standard white loaf recipe with olive oil substituted for butter. The strong white was more deep pan. The plain was more thin and crispy.

Left them in the mixer kneading longer this time until the dough was very relaxed, almost flowing through my fingers. it would have made a crappy loaf but was perfect for stretching out for a pizza base after proving. Just hung it over my fist.

Plain flour on left, strong white flour on right. All other parts of the cooking and prep identical.

https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/cimg2257.jpg


Where's the meat? Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where's the meat? Tut Tut


There's tuna, sweetcorn, yellow pepper, mushroom and pickled nastertium seeds and fresh mozarella. Base sauce done with tomato puree with fennel seeds, fennel leaf, fresh oregano, olive oil, crushed garlic, pink pepper and a dash of balsamic.

Have to shop tomorrow, getting low on supplies. I'm also having a gout attack so cured meat of any sort is totally out of the window for at least another week.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmm, fennel.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 17 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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Where's the meat? Tut Tut


There's tuna, sweetcorn, yellow pepper, mushroom and pickled nastertium seeds and fresh mozarella. Base sauce done with tomato puree with fennel seeds, fennel leaf, fresh oregano, olive oil, crushed garlic, pink pepper and a dash of balsamic.

Have to shop tomorrow, getting low on supplies. I'm also having a gout attack so cured meat of any sort is totally out of the window for at least another week.


Very nice, the pizza not the gout, that's gotta suck.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Very nice, the pizza not the gout, that's gotta suck.


Aye. It was actually a pepperoni pizza last weekend that set it off. I think they must use a lot of saltpeter in the cure. Should've known better.

It's a bugger because I love my charcoutery. I'm actually looking into curing my own meat so I'm in control of what goes in it.
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 18 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Tonights tea. Turns out pzza dough is perfectly fine using plain flour. Plain flour on left, strong white flour on right. All other parts of the cooking and prep identical.

https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/cimg2257.jpg

That's a nice looking pizza! I'm afraid with mine I just squish them out vaguely square and leave them like that. The uneven squishing is good in that you get both thin crisper bits and thicker soggier areas.

You've made me hungry, and it's past bed-time.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With our breadmaker we set a timer for ourselves to take the paddle out after the last knocking back, before the final rise and cook. No half loaf missing when you take it out then Smile

For ciabatta I use the Kmix, so much easier on the hands when a machine does the kneading for you.
Ciabatta starts with a similar method to the sourdough starter. Flour and water mix overnight. Has yeast as well, maybe it's a shortcut, rather than the sourdough starter? similar texture to the end result.

So today I found a use for the Sport's Direct mug on top of the cupboard. I've started a starter.



I have given up with the starter already. Quitter!!
It looked ok, was bubbling, rising, dropping as it was meant to. Fed it when it said to.
It smells like shit. I'm sure it's not supposed to smell that bad. It did smell good at one point, But not anymore.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have given up with the starter already. Quitter!!
It looked ok, was bubbling, rising, dropping as it was meant to. Fed it when it said to.
It smells like shit. I'm sure it's not supposed to smell that bad. It did smell good at one point, But not anymore.


Quality control issues, unwanted bacteria have taken up residence. Sterilization is the key, the downfall of many a home brewer, and now bakers.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
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I have given up with the starter already. Quitter!!
It looked ok, was bubbling, rising, dropping as it was meant to. Fed it when it said to.
It smells like shit. I'm sure it's not supposed to smell that bad. It did smell good at one point, But not anymore.


Quality control issues, unwanted bacteria have taken up residence. Sterilization is the key, the downfall of many a home brewer, and now bakers.

And try not to sneeze or cough on it - cough into your elbow.
Wash your hands a lot.
Sing The Time Warp : that will take you 20 seconds whilst washing your hands.

Come on, hedgybabes ... you know the drill by now.
And keep 2m distance at all times. Shocked
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I guessed it was contaminated in some way. I didn't sterilise the jars before use. Silly me, I make jam occasionally and sterilise them then.
Have now given in and bought overpriced yeast on Ebay. Briefly considered buying 10 kilos from a wholesaler, and flogging the excess. But that's hassle and requires posting parcels. Had an ebay or Nectar voucher as well so that takes the sting out of being gouged too.


As for washing hands I am so gonna be sick of coconut soon. We are wafting trails of coconut around the house due to all the hand washing Smile
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No time to read all.

Main thing if making loaf, rolls etc. is kneeding the risen dough.

It's the kneeding that is required to stretch the gluten.
That makes the bread texture springy and not doughy.
Minimum 10 mins kneeding.
It's a wucking fork out.

I add powder milk to my bread recipes. Helps the flavour.

And who the Hell bought up all the breadmaker machines?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
No time to read all.

Main thing if making loaf, rolls etc. is kneeding the risen dough.

It's the kneeding that is required to stretch the gluten.
That makes the bread texture springy and not doughy.
Minimum 10 mins kneeding.
It's a wucking fork out.

I add powder milk to my bread recipes. Helps the flavour.

And who the Hell bought up all the breadmaker machines?


Whistle

Edit: Grammar fail on my part, I brought up the subject, I did not however buy up all said machines
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 27 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have flour and yeast but being an old lazy sod, what's better, a bread making machine or a mixer to knead the dough.

I'm planning on putting the dough in bread tins rather than leaving it in the machine and having a big hole in the bottom.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 27 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mixer takes all the hard work out of it but leaves you to do the "fun" bits of shaping the end product. You need a powerful one with a proper gearbox to cope with any volume of bread dough though. My kenwood major has a 1200W motor and you can hear it labouring if you put 2 or 3 loaves worth in on the dough-hook. It throws the butchers block i keep it on back and forth.

A bread machine only does one thing. A decent mixer does all sorts. My pastry has come on leaps and bounds among other things. Also homemade mayonaise.
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breadmaker I use is a Lakeland. Cost about 40 big ones three years ago.
I makes 'small' loaves.
I have a bread tin that I combine two lots of dough in.
Not perfect but the slices are 'taller' than the breadmaker loaf.
Breadmakers use a paddle rather than through hook.
They just relentlessly beat the cfuk out the dough.
If your into serious breadary then a HD mixer as Stinkers suggests is required.
Metal gears always last longer than the plastic gears of budget machines.
£300+ for a mixer you'll only use during a pandemic. 🤔
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or a bowl, a work surface and some elbow grease will also do it and give you some exercise.

In fact you can do it without the elbow grease.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Breadmaker I use is a Lakeland. Cost about 40 big ones three years ago.
I makes 'small' loaves.
I have a bread tin that I combine two lots of dough in.
Not perfect but the slices are 'taller' than the breadmaker loaf.
Breadmakers use a paddle rather than through hook.
They just relentlessly beat the cfuk out the dough.
If your into serious breadary then a HD mixer as Stinkers suggests is required.
Metal gears always last longer than the plastic gears of budget machines.
£300+ for a mixer you'll only use during a pandemic. 🤔


That's my worry. Maybe a £50 bread maker and if i really get into it then a decent mixer later. The thing being when this lockdown is lifted I have plenty of hobby stuff to do with my boats and if something doesn't really grab me, it gets forgotten/ignored when I have other, more enjoyable things to do.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do it by hand - all you need is a bowl to start the dough off in and a clean work surface to knead on. I've recently been using hand kneading more than my stand mixer - it really gives you more awareness of how the dough is evolving and you can develop a feel for when it is ready, rather than x minutes on y setting. Different flours need different inputs, even batch-to-batch let alone variety-to-variety.

And 10 minutes of kneading, done well, does raise the heartbeat!
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Weasley, Organic Breadmaker ^^
Cool
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have got a breadmaker but I hate the hole-in-the-bottom thing.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I have got a breadmaker but I hate the hole-in-the-bottom thing.

So be careful where you put the thing!

Most people keep them at the back of a cupboard, out of the way somewhere.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 28 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to make some bread using normal bread flour (when I can get some!), yeast, water as usual, and whey protein. Unfortunately, last time I tried it, it became very hard.
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