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I passed my bike test a few months before I passed my car test
I’ve been riding bikes in one form or another for years.
Car driving is about control of the vehicle and situational/road awareness., sounds abit like using a bike
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Posted: 20:37 - 20 Apr 2020 Post subject: Re: Learning to drive after learning motorcycle first? |
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BananaLover wrote: | Curios are there any riders who learned to drive after they had their bike for a while? I imagine the road awareness alone should make it a lot less than a brand new driver.
Anybody got some numbers of how many lessons they had or expect someone like me to need? |
I had a bike as my sole means of transport for 20 years. I did not like driving a car, you had to let go of things to do things. It also felt "tippy". Yes, I know. I took my car test after 26 lessons. I did 26 lessons because I got a very good deal indeed, and I did not want to fail. After the first half, 13 lessons, I was ready, but took the rest anyway, and was just driving around with the instructor thinking about which pub to go to (he would occasionally say "Oi!" and instruct me if I did anything the examiner would not like).
The only thing you can do is to try it and see how it goes. When you are properly confident, and your instructer is properly confident, then go for it.
Driving instructors are graded on their ability. You want one with good teaching ability (A) if possible. You should be able to get a "taster" lesson to see if you get on.
I would be inclined to have 1 1/2 hour lessons. or even 2-hour ones, rather than one hour ones, and do two a week if possible. |
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I never had a proper car lesson. I drove my Mum’s Beetle with her in the passenger seat and did a few 3 point turns.
I’d been riding for 5 years, so had road sense and clutch control. The only issue I had was my Dad having to once remind me that there was 4ft of car to the left of me when overtaking parked cars.
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I have both car and bike licences and I think riding is far more "difficult", mainly because there is so much more to think about in terms of safely, concentration and technique.
Parking on a 'bike is a lot easier though .
I would say, get a few driving lessons under your belt with your instructor and then get out as much as possible with a friend or family member, i.e.:
https://www.gov.uk/driving-lessons-learning-to-drive/practising-with-family-or-friends
I did some lessons and hammered the private practice, often on weekends or holidays when it was not so busy on the roads.
I would definitely do some lessons with an instructor first (5 -10 maybe, depending on your progress) as he/she has the dual controls to catch the beginner errors and until you get good at the controls. I think I remember we practiced emergency stops after the 2nd lesson or so (so quite early on).
I think coming from a biking background probably is an advantage (I did the car licence first then the bike soon afterwards so it was more about controlling the machine and paying attention to road conditions, rather than learning all the road rules and traffic behaviour etc.). |
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Claud 14.7 to 1 wrote: | I would definitely do some lessons with an instructor first (5 -10 maybe, depending on your progress) as he/she has the dual controls to catch the beginner errors and until you get good at the controls. I think I remember we practiced emergency stops after the 2nd lesson or so (so quite early on) |
One very good reason to take lessons from an instructor is that they know what's expected, and can "teach to the test", e.g. the required manoeuvres, the likely test route, how to make exaggerated observations so that the instructor can see you are looking, that sort of thing. So, whatever, while it's all good experience, I'd take some lessons before the test, even if I took no others! |
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I've done car at the same time as bike (A2) with some experience of car driving beforehand. My father told me that I'm not going into the driving school before I know how to drive so we did dirt roads around a village many times - basic clutch controls, gear changes and steering, even reversing with a trailer through turns. I've done like 13 lessons with instructor, he was a calm old due, very reasonable, and then the test on first attempt, no problem although there were like 16 lessons mandatory. No idea how hard is that in the UK though.
All in all, I think driving a car is far easier than riding a bike.
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Once I'd got round the mechanics of it, the main issues I had were doing things that would be considered too "advanced" for a learner driver like short-shifting on loose surfaces and taking motorcycle lines through corners for visability.
Got constantly whinged at for doing lifesavers too, we had "words" about that.
I found they weren't seeing me looking in the mirrors so I set them off a bit so I had to move my head to see in them. They don't expect learners to be catching them in peripheral vision and on the motorbike test, you always back it up with a head check anyway.
I found it much more formulaic. In that you are expected to be in this gear for this corner where I'm barely aware of what gear I'm in most of the time on the bike.
A lot of experienced motorbike riders have trouble with the hazard perception test, they over-click. You need to remember it's a "developing hazard" not a "potential hazard". The advice I was given was three clicks for every hazard. One when you spot it (kids playing with a ball on the pavement). One when it is an obvious hazard (ball bounces out into the road, kid following it) and a third when the video car starts to react.
My instructors car was fucked. The gearbox had very little gating left on it, a total nightmare to select a specific gear without grabbing the lever firmly and putting it there (I have always eased the lever through the selectors, letting the gating and springs find the gear for me ) and the clutch was notchy as hell with the dual control. I complained about it and he said to try a lesson in my own car. Did the next lesson in my own car and he said I should just do my test. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Was riding 3 years before I got the car license.
It will help a lot just for road sense. Also got told off too for doing life savers all the time... which I still automatically do in the car...
I'd say you will need less lessons than most, but the parallel parking, reversing around a corner etc is very much its own thing.
And im still pretty shit a parallel parking in the car
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The number of lessons required is also highly dependant on age. Old gits will take longer than kids... empty heads are easier for the instructor
But yes, you have an advantage: you know all the roads signs and line markings, priorities at roundabouts, etc. so you can skip all that. You only have to figure out the clutch and the gear stick. Same side of the brain does the work though - as on the bike ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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The fact that you have road and traffic awareness from riding the bike and know how it all works is a plus - so you should be able to concentrate on the mechanics of driving the car and won't be putting a lot of extra mental resources into thinking about how to negotiate a roundabout etc.
I had the reverse experience - I had driven cars and large vans for a few years before I got into bikes - so when I got on the bike it was simply a case of getting used to controlling the bike rather than learning the rules of the road - although obviously there were certain rules regarding positioning, filtering and life savers etc which I had to learn.
I've ridden bikes exclusively for the last 22 years - until recently when I had to drive a medium sized car - the thing I found weirdest was having to re-adjust to the cars larger size and remember that I had so many extra feet of metal and glass around me!
One plus of being a car driver and bike rider is that you know how 'the other side' perceives or more importantly does not perceive you! You understand how invisible you can seem to a lot of car drivers - also when you are in a car you spend that extra time looking out for bikes when negotiating junctions, swapping lanes etc.
In conclusion I am 100% motorcyclist these days - I'll only ever drive a car when I have to carry people or stuff somewhere. |
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On a bike, lane selection for junctions is easier, because you can filter and accelerate into gaps. In a car, if you need to change lanes, especially to a lane to your left, the observations are a bit harder.
It takes a bit of time to get used to the width of the car, to develop "whisker sense" for getting close to stuff, especially on the left side.
Parallel parking or reversing around a corner takes a bit of practice.
That's about it for car being harder than bike. Cars are otherwise easier, because you generally just follow the car in front, don't overtake much, etc. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Try to resist the urge to filter when you are driving the car |
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I passed my bike test in 1976. I passed my car test in 2007 and I only took it because wifie passed her bike test and had both. I hate her having anything up on me.
I did an intense driving course over 4 days with the test at the end. 6 hours driving a day.
At the end of the first day the lady who was teaching me told me that other than ironing out a few bad habits, like using the door mirrors and not the centre one and easy ways to parallel park etc, I would have easily passed with one days (6 hours) instructions as she didn't have to teach me how to physically drive or any roadcraft as I already knew it. I didn't have any issues changing from bike to car either.
I passed with one minor at the end of the course so I would say that you will find it way easier after riding a bike and would suggest booking a trial lesson and seeing what the instructor thinks would be required. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Cant remember how many lessons i had but i had more than needed as i wernt to confident on taking the test even when my instructor said i was ready
I passed my motorbike test in 2001 and passed my car test in 2014
only did the car test cos was worried it may getting even harder so best to just get it out the way.
can say my spatial awareness is terrible in the car and i hate driving as i feel so restricted
but my spatial awareness on bike is almost Godmode, filter through gaps as if the gaps were not even there.
to be honest i was surprised i passed my car test first time
i havent driven a car since 2014 its gonna be a challenge when i eventually do drive again so i might have a few driving lessons before i start driving again.
i cant park for shit now though
but put me on a motorbike and im right at home as bikes feel like they are a part of my body whereas cars just feel alien! ____________________ Elen sila lummen omentielvo! |
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I rode motorbikes for three years before I did my driving test.
Driving is a walk in the park compared to bikes. Just learn the width of the car and you're good to go.
I did my theory before my first lesson and booked my test after my first lesson. I passed with one minor mistake. I can't remember how many lessons I had, but I had to change my driving instructor about three weeks before my test. The first one was on his phone all of my lessons and taught me minimum. Second one fixed all the errors of the first one and got me to pass first time. He was more excited than me when I passed.
Both examiners were through BSM as well, so £25.00+ per hour. For mediocre training. Second one was professional though, I couldn't fault any of his training. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 362 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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