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bhinso
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Foreign land workers being flown in Reply with quote

I read that Romanians were being flown in to work on the land, where we have significant unemployment in this country.

Half the people are saying it's because British people would rather take universal credit and sit on their battys all day than do an honest day's work.

The other half are saying There were hundreds of British applicants for these jobs only to be told there were 'no vacancies'.

I really don't know what to think ? Sad
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Re: Foreign land workers being flown in Reply with quote

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I read that Romanians were being flown in to work on the land, where we have significant unemployment in this country.

Half the people are saying it's because British people would rather take universal credit and sit on their battys all day than do an honest day's work.

The other half are saying There were hundreds of British applicants for these jobs only to be told there were 'no vacancies'.

I really don't know what to think ? Sad

This is old news.

Not very many people are being brought in for seasonal work. The number will be in the hundreds. There may be more later if conditions improve. This is far, far fewer than the normal number, which last year was somewhere north of 75,000 seasonal workers. Since we are not in the eu, it is not intended that this high number continues anyway.

Part of the problem with the here and now is that the population are not used to this work, most are not living in the right areas to do it or to commute, and are not all the right sort of people.

I applied for a farm job via one of the recruiters, to be told "full 'till May". I have not heard back about May.

Many of the people previously coming into the UK for seasonal work actually lived in farm accommodation, which is available to UK workers (although workers have to pay for their accommodation).

It's not a very straigfhtforward issue.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Romanians will be experienced around farm machinery and will safely get the jobs done 10x faster, plus they won't quit after a week because mornings are early and the got hurty back.
This has been a problem for many years. Obviously some UK workers know what's needed but for most of these well meanng applicants they won't have a clue, and are imagining sun-drenched strawberry fields not bending down to select and cut lettuces behind a grading machine for hours on end.
Plus they'd get paid more stacking shelves at Tesco.

An important point to be aware is that farms have almost no power setting the prices they get for produce - other than grow something else or stop altogether.
If Tesco procurement sees a substandard leek in the box he'll dock 50% or want the next load for free, they are utterly evil.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a group on FB called 'work exchange for campers and nomads'

I've noticed a lot of posts about this and it seems many are applying and just not getting the work, they cite some Sky poll or whatever saying 30,000 brits applied but only 130? or whatever got accepted.

Also, any dissent among the cynical gets the thread locked.

Given the current conditions and loss of liberty for most of the world it seems ridiculous to be bringing in people for this purpose. I dunno if it's true, but I seen mention that it was the farmers that chartered the planes.

We should know by now that laws and rules only apply when it suits them in power, and they can be changed at any time.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing what I know about farmers, my cousin runs a farm in east Anglia, they wouldn't want British workers when they have cheap foreign labour who will do the work for meagre pay, living on site with bugger all amenities who don't moan about the conditions and are experienced in the job.

It's not far above slave labour TBH.

Would they allow people to commute rather than live on site anyway? Thousands of cars driving around the countryside taking the virus with them?

As said, it's not straight forward in any sense.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another slant on it which I had been told was not that the foreign workers were employed over British ones, but that they had been brought back in order to train the British ones how to do the job.

Rolling Eyes Ya right Rolling Eyes

Lovely propaganda machinery, winding up the public on both sides.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to depend on folk living very local to the harvesting sites. Back in the day city-dwellers would regard a few weeks relocation to a cabin in Norfolk and days spent toiling in the fields as a holiday. Should have either been automated years ago, or else we should be paying the true price for seasonal fruit and veg, but then we'd just get it cheaper from Kenya, Egypt, etc. like we do for the rest of the year.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 22 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Already discussed elsewhere. It stems from one racist woman who hasn't even tried asking UK citizens if they want to do it.

The government has already said people can still claim the furlough money and earn on a second job fruit picking. This "I hate British people" champagne socialist claims the British workers would need too much training to pick herbs.

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Stephanie Hildon, who runs Langmead Herbs in Chichester on almost 3,000 hectares of land, told Sky News her Romanian workforce is loyal and committed.

"If I was going to be recruiting from the UK and taking on people that are unfortunately out of work that would require a huge amount of retraining to get these people up to speed," she said.


I wonder if she has to pay these Romanians minimum wage? Idea


I agree entirely with everything you've said on this subject except for the bit about the champagne socialist, farmers are without exception usually about as right wing a bunch of folks that you will ever meet. Smallholders tend to swing the other way but most of the ones I know haven't got two pennies to rub together, let alone swill champagne!

Most of the male young farmers that I grew up with moved out of farming, a couple became self employed farm labourers, but of my little group of mates, off the top of my head there's a joiner, a regional manager for Mole Valley, an estate land manager, an Australian pilot, a general builder, two tree surgeons and a theme park manager. Farming pay is shite, the ones who stayed could afford to do so because the bank of mum and dad had fronted the loans for tractors and equipment so they could set up as independent farm workers based from their parents farms. Pickers weren't really a thing round our way as most places were livestock or hay to support said livestock.
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PostPosted: 03:14 - 23 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I’m not sure she’s your typical farmer material, being purely an artisan herb grower.


3000 hectares (7400+acres) can grow a fuckton of herb, hardly your average artisanal farmer!!

Perhaps I should read the article. Thinking
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PostPosted: 03:20 - 23 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup definitely a mohair wearing 'good life' type. Laughing

Presumably this is the 'farming' family we're talking about?

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PostPosted: 15:57 - 23 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much training does it require to learn how to pull stuff out of the ground?
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 23 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
How much training does it require to learn how to pull stuff out of the ground?


Very little, if you do it with mates and you all have a decent work ethic it's really enjoyable. Did it a few times in my teens for weed/cider/E/fags money. Helped at Lambing once too, that was amazing I'd recommend it to anyone. Better than any of the more "Industrial" summer jobs I tried.

Problem is it pays badly and unqualified, unemployed Brits would rather benefits and doing nothing.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quelle surprise
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8280077/Theyre-deluded-Farmer-took-50-English-workers-pick-crops-just-7-left.html
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counterpoint;
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/apr/20/just-not-true-were-too-lazy-for-farm-work-say-frustrated-uk-applicants
As usual, the truth will be somewhere in the middle.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:



The long and the short of it is that it is likely that veg prices will rocket because of a shortage, the British consumer will end up paying more whether they like it of not.
So why don't the people buying the crops step up, pay more for the goods now so that farmers can get them out of the ground by employing the keen but slower, inexperienced Brits?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that prices will go up either way, but at least demand could be met, even if it means Farmer Joe doesn't get his annually replaced top of the range Land Rover this year, despite his crop price rising.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or his new combine harvester.

I couldn't believe how expensive combine harvesters actually are.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
Or his new combine harvester.

I couldn't believe how expensive combine harvesters actually are.


On my obnoxious (not very close) relatives farm in East Anglia they hire a company to come in and harvest. So they come with harvesters, trucks, people etc. There for however many days it takes and then they are off to the next farm.

He has very few permanent staff which doesn't stop him claiming for every grant going, cvnt.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

That was three weeks ago, they actually tried it since then.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
annually replaced top of the range Land Rover this year, despite his crop price rising.

Where's mine, i only have a seven year old Isuzu pickup. And a bike.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 09 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
annually replaced top of the range Land Rover this year, despite his crop price rising.

Where's mine, i only have a seven year old Isuzu pickup. And a bike.


Ten to seven on a Saturday night and you've knocked off already? There's your answer. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 10 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farms would really struggle to get hard working outdoors people to do the job when those same people can earn many times more money working on a building site. The training to become a builder or whatever is at college and therefore free for under 20s.
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