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8800
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: 2 insurance in same bike ? Reply with quote

Is it possible to have two separate insurance policy is on the same bike?

2 different insurance policies on the same bike so no matter which one of us ride the bike we’re covered under our own policy

Is that allowed ?
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure it's a no no.


Is it illegal to have two policies on one car?

No, doubling up on your car insurance isn’t illegal. However, if you make a claim from two insurance providers, you can’t try and claim for the full amount from each of them. Doing so is considered fraud, and that is illegal.


So there you are, I'm wrong.

https://www.comparethemarket.com/car-insurance/content/two-policies-one-car/?SRC=DE92&gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uwHdPI5_igXIM_RJ-xv92gg4SjZwkTUxIiek8uFitd1pcU7TzS_eCwRoCP1QQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Pretty sure it's a no no.


Is it illegal to have two policies on one car?

No, doubling up on your car insurance isn’t illegal. However, if you make a claim from two insurance providers, you can’t try and claim for the full amount from each of them. Doing so is considered fraud, and that is illegal.


So there you are, I'm wrong.

https://www.comparethemarket.com/car-insurance/content/two-policies-one-car/?SRC=DE92&gclid=CjwKCAjwqJ_1BRBZEiwAv73uwHdPI5_igXIM_RJ-xv92gg4SjZwkTUxIiek8uFitd1pcU7TzS_eCwRoCP1QQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


That makes sense making a claim is fraudulent , but if I have a policy and my son has a different policy on the same bike from a different cheaper provider then is either of us ever need to claim them we claim off our individual policy .

It’s just that I’m insured with company X and company Y is cheaper for my son as a single policy

It’s too expensive to add him to my policy but company y will insure him on my bike cheaper than it would be to add him to my policy
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

8800 wrote:
It’s too expensive to add (son) to my policy but company y will insure him on my bike cheaper than it would be to add him to my policy

It is stupid, isn't it. You are not both going to be riding it at the same time, and even were one of you riding pillion, the rider's insurance would cover the pillion passenger.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No reason why you couldn't, assuming there's nothing in the terms and conditions for either policy that throws a spanner in the works.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
8800 wrote:
It’s too expensive to add (son) to my policy but company y will insure him on my bike cheaper than it would be to add him to my policy

It is stupid, isn't it. You are not both going to be riding it at the same time, and even were one of you riding pillion, the rider's insurance would cover the pillion passenger.


Why exactly so this is why I don’t think so illegal only one of us will be riding at any one time if anything happens theft accidents whatever it maybe we claim off our own policy on that bike we both pay our own premiums and insurance policy so I don’t see why it could be illegal just more paperwork ?

Their also different insurance providers
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pillion passengers are irrelevant. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Pillion passengers are irrelevant. Laughing



Neither one of us would carry pillion passengers anyway it’s just ourselves to use the bike
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have more than one bike? Many comp. policies cover you to ride other vehicles (and some even cover you to the level of cover that is already on the bike now).

Because if you were insured on one each, you could each ride the other one.

Obviously this is a non-starter if you only have one bike.

EDIT: It might still work out cheaper to buy him a cheap scrapper to sit in the shed insured. He'd be building up his own NCB too.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Do you have more than one bike? Many comp. policies cover you to ride other vehicles (and some even cover you to the level of cover that is already on the bike now).

Because if you were insured on one each, you could each ride the other one.

Obviously this is a non-starter if you only have one bike.

EDIT: It might still work out cheaper to buy him a cheap scrapper to sit in the shed insured. He'd be building up his own NCB too.


Sadly only 1 bike , I defo don’t see anything wrong with our plan
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think where you might run into problems with two policies is in the event of a claim where there is potential overlap between liability of the two insurers. If one of you is riding and has an accident, no probs, but what if the bike gets nicked when unattended by either rider? I don't think you can simply pick and choose which insurer to claim through; I believe it's a basic tenet of insurance that if there is 'overlap' between insurers then the claim has to be split (it's likely to be mentioned in the T&Cs; this sort of thing happens more commonly with travel insurance vs personal possessions insurance claims). Not only would that be very messy to deal with, but you'd also screw up two no-claims discounts.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if you control both sides of the equation it should be fine?

Here's a more common scenario...

You've bought a bike, rode around for 9 months, didn't like it, sold it.

The insurance was, for example, £100. The cancellation fee is £50, no prorata refunds as you didn't read the fine print. "Fuck it, I'll leave it and pick up a year's NCD."

Numpty you sold said bike to doesn't tax or insure it. Kills someone, leaves bike in a ditch and legs it. DVLA might eventually forward "requests for information" to the right place (assuming you filled in the V5 correctly) but the 3rd party insurance query will turn up your policy... oh feck Sad

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PostPosted: 11:42 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
I think where you might run into problems with two policies is in the event of a claim where there is potential overlap between liability of the two insurers. If one of you is riding and has an accident, no probs, but what if the bike gets nicked when unattended by either rider? I don't think you can simply pick and choose which insurer to claim through; I believe it's a basic tenet of insurance that if there is 'overlap' between insurers then the claim has to be split (it's likely to be mentioned in the T&Cs; this sort of thing happens more commonly with travel insurance vs personal possessions insurance claims). Not only would that be very messy to deal with, but you'd also screw up two no-claims discounts.



This is an understandable situation , but if that was the case that I was stolen while I was using it then it would be under my policy and then it would be actioned under my policy ...
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it simple, it is cheaper for him to insure it then just add you to his policy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing is many insurance companies consider it to be illegal to have two policies on the same bike. Regardless of if it is or is not.

They have directly told me so when it was going to cost me extra money to cancel a policy they couldn't add a new bike to. I thought I'd just take out the new policy and leave the old one to run-out and they got humpty about it and refused to issue the new one until the old one was cancelled or ran out. I eventually insured the new one with someone else, making sure I could cheaply add bikes to the policy then added the other bike when the policy ran out.

If they do a search and find an existing policy on it, they may just cancel on you.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The other thing is many insurance companies consider it to be illegal to have two policies on the same bike. Regardless of if it is or is not.

They have directly told me so when it was going to cost me extra money to cancel a policy they couldn't add a new bike to. I thought I'd just take out the new policy and leave the old one to run-out and they got humpty about it and refused to issue the new one until the old one was cancelled or ran out. I eventually insured the new one with someone else, making sure I could cheaply add bikes to the policy then added the other bike when the policy ran out.

If they do a search and find an existing policy on it, they may just cancel on you.



Wow , that’s sooo weird as to why they could behave like that .

You can take temporary car insurance on cars when you need to test drive a car etc but somehow that dosent upset them ?

What about temporary insurance , does anyone know of any temporary bike insurance ? For a few hours or days ? Maybe that’s a different option ?
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 29 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at policy documents for company X and for company Y?
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 30 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

dynax wrote:
Keep it simple, it is cheaper for him to insure it then just add you to his policy Thumbs Up


this would be simpler
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 30 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would expect all policies to require the insured to also be the registered keeper. That scuppers any more than one legit policy to be in place.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 30 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minty wrote:
Would expect all policies to require the insured to also be the registered keeper. That scuppers any more than one legit policy to be in place.


Don’t they ask if you’re the registered keeper? If you say no is that end of quote?
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 01 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can have a vehicle registered in someone elses name who is not the legal owner ( says so on the V5) so transfer the bike to your son as the registered keeper ( 10 mins online give or take) insure in his name and a named rider and away you go Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 01 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
Minty wrote:
Would expect all policies to require the insured to also be the registered keeper. That scuppers any more than one legit policy to be in place.

Don’t they ask if you’re the registered keeper? If you say no is that end of quote?

I've tried doing this in the past on the screenscraper sites, and IIRC you just get far fewer companies offering a quote if the insured and keeper aren't one and the same
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