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That's a different event and they're just calling it unexplained. You're calling it evidence of aliens. Big difference. |
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All the navy is confirming is that the videos themselves are real. I'd still go with optical artifacts, again, Occams razor. We've done this one before |
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All the navy is confirming is that the videos themselves are real. I'd still go with optical artifacts, again, Occams razor. We've done this one before |
The only problem I have with that is, don't you think that someone in the USN, the pilots, video analysts etc would also have come to that conclusion? I mean, they're probably a bit more knowledgable on these things than you and I, seeing as they use this equipment on a daily basis as part of their professional careers. Also, in a moving aircraft, would an optical artefact remain static, unchanging like the videos show? And would they show up on multiple sensors as they have?
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chickenstrip wrote: | The only problem I have with that is, don't you think that someone in the USN, the pilots, video analysts etc would also have come to that conclusion? I mean, they're probably a bit more knowledgable on these things than you and I, seeing as they use this equipment on a daily basis as part of their professional careers. Also, in a moving aircraft, would an optical artefact remain static, unchanging like the videos show? And would they show up on multiple sensors as they have?
Other than that, I'm not saying anything - I don't need the heat that comes with claiming "aliens! " |
While you're broadly right, your supposition depends on a couple of things. Firstly, how well they analysed the video at the time and more importantly whether that analysis has been declassified along with the footage. If, for instance, they discovered that their imaging systems were at fault then I'd imagine that they wouldn't be keen to let that be widely known. Secondly, where in the image capture and processing system the artifact occurred. If it were a lens/optical train artifact then that could easily appear on any sensor couple with the optical system. Likewise if it were an artifact of the processing/recording system.
Let's face it (and take a quick slash with Occam's razor again ) there's a far higher probability of it being an artifact than Zag from the planet Zob taking the wife and kids for a quick whiz around for a dekko at the primitive life on the strange blue planet.
It's funny how these things are only seen by people that think 'aliens!' - they're never seen by the hordes of amateur astronomers who although amateur often have quite professional equipment and and equally professional and methodical approach to observation.
Then there are the professional observers as well... |
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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | The only problem I have with that is, don't you think that someone in the USN, the pilots, video analysts etc would also have come to that conclusion? I mean, they're probably a bit more knowledgable on these things than you and I, seeing as they use this equipment on a daily basis as part of their professional careers. Also, in a moving aircraft, would an optical artefact remain static, unchanging like the videos show? And would they show up on multiple sensors as they have?
Other than that, I'm not saying anything - I don't need the heat that comes with claiming "aliens! " |
While you're broadly right, your supposition depends on a couple of things. Firstly, how well they analysed the video at the time and more importantly whether that analysis has been declassified along with the footage. If, for instance, they discovered that their imaging systems were at fault then I'd imagine that they wouldn't be keen to let that be widely known. |
If that were the case, they wouldn't have released the videos at all.
Quote: | Secondly, where in the image capture and processing system the artifact occurred. If it were a lens/optical train artifact then that could easily appear on any sensor couple with the optical system. |
That's highly unlikely, especially as the object, and others previous to the video example, were fixed by shipborne systems also.
Quote: | Let's face it (and take a quick slash with Occam's razor again ) there's a far higher probability of it being an artifact than Zag from the planet Zob taking the wife and kids for a quick whiz around for a dekko at the primitive life on the strange blue planet. |
There's also a possibility that it was some other kind of technology very much of this Earth, which appears to be the USN's greatest concern, or at least, why they haven't dismissed it altogether. Whether it is highly advanced compared to anything known is another matter. A good reason for their concern would be the fact that they had been seeing these things on monitoring systems in that airspace, with the worry of them conflicting with military aircraft using that airspace. The possible consequences are obvious.
Quote: | It's funny how these things are only seen by people that think 'aliens!' - they're never seen by the hordes of amateur astronomers who although amateur often have quite professional equipment and and equally professional and methodical approach to observation.
Then there are the professional observers as well... |
So you're claiming that amateur astronomers are more skilled at interpretation, on equipment they know nothing about by reason of it being classified, than military personnel that operate this equipment all the time?
What professional observers are you referring to? I take it you mean military professionals with the proper experience of such equipments, or civilians involved with its design and/or manufacture? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Interesting snippet from the pilot who visually engaged the object.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPPNPKlIubI
Edit: A combination of visual, video and radar confirmation suggests something tangible was present.
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Islander wrote: | and take a quick slash with Occam's razor again. |
I should think you've made it quite blunt by now
And to which I'd also add that Occam's Razor is only as effective as those who wield it, i.e. those with the relevant experience in the subject contemplated; in this case, military monitoring and tracking systems, to reiterate a point. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I like Lex Fridman. He's a smart guy. But he's also human. He knows that science isn't everything that is important to humans. But he also knows how to approach it correctly imv. Part of which is have an open mind, but without jumping to conclusions on poor evidence. He probably best represents my view on this subject, which is, it looks like there is something going on, I can't explain it, so I'll reserve judgement until more is known, but it's an interesting thing to consider.
Commander David Fravor on Lex's podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E
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Ste wrote: | Rebel wrote: | Something extraordinary is plainly happening here. |
Why would they upload an edited copy rather than the original? |
Not sure which particular example you're referring to, but with Fravor he clearly states, I think on the Joe Rogan podcast, that there is certain information given on the aircraft display that is classified, as it tells more than they want to release about the system capability. So they edited the video to block that information out. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: |
If that were the case, they wouldn't have released the videos at all. |
Or releases an edited video which they did.
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That's highly unlikely, especially as the object, and others previous to the video example, were fixed by shipborne systems also. |
Systems or Mark Is?
chickenstrip wrote: | There's also a possibility that it was some other kind of technology very much of this Earth, which appears to be the USN's greatest concern, or at least, why they haven't dismissed it altogether. Whether it is highly advanced compared to anything known is another matter. A good reason for their concern would be the fact that they had been seeing these things on monitoring systems in that airspace, with the worry of them conflicting with military aircraft using that airspace. The possible consequences are obvious. |
Granted. Perhaps development tests of stealth technology? Who knows?
A more prosaic analysis (not mine )
"Mundane, non-pseudoscientific explanations include instrument or software malfunction/anomaly/artifact,[22][23] human observational illusion (e.g., parallax) or interpretive error,[5][24][25][26] or common aircraft (e.g., a passenger airliner) or aerial device (e.g., weather balloon), with the science writer Mick West stating that the reported objects in these incidents are "most likely...a relatively slow-moving object like a bird or a balloon," and that "the jet filming it is moving fast, so this creates an illusion of speed against the ocean."[20][21] West stated that the GIMBAL video can be explained as footage of a distant plane with the apparent rotation actually being the glare in the IR camera rotating.[1]"
chickenstrip wrote: | So you're claiming that amateur astronomers are more skilled at interpretation, on equipment they know nothing about by reason of it being classified, than military personnel that operate this equipment all the time? |
Where did I say any of that? It was clear from the context that I was referring to the general OMGITSAUFOHELPANALPROBINGHAPPENING type event rather than the videos specifically.
I stand by that statement as well. There are large numbers of amateur astronomers watching the sky every night and a smaller number during daytime (solar astronomy, transits, etc.). I've never seen a single report from an astronomer about a UFO. It's always a dodgy video, poorly shot, wobbly, often out of focus and punted by typical conspiracy theorists.
Also highly trained military observers? They thought that the Orford Ness lighthouse was an alien UFO landing in Rendlesham forest.
chickenstrip wrote: | What professional observers are you referring to? I take it you mean military professionals with the proper experience of such equipments, or civilians involved with its design and/or manufacture? |
Again, no. I'm talking about the same as before only professionals this time using very sophisticated equipment that they may have had a hand in designing and building as well as operating. Again, I've never seen a single report from one.
Always the Rebel types that so desperately want to believe. Confirmation bias |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 178 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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