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Lord Percy
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Government wants to harvest your organs Reply with quote
As of yesterday, that's how it is for Englanders: https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/uk-laws/organ-donation-law-in-england/

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Organ donation in England has moved to an 'opt out' system. You may also hear it referred to as 'Max and Keira's Law'.

This means that all adults in England will be considered to have agreed to be an organ donor when they die unless they have recorded a decision not to donate or are in one of the excluded groups.

Your family will still be approached and your faith, beliefs and culture will continue to be respected.

You still have a choice whether or not you wish to become a donor. Get the facts about organ donation to help you decide.

Why has the law changed?

The law has been changed to help save and improve more lives. Every day across the UK, someone dies waiting for a transplant.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
After 8 weeks of lockdown nobody would want my liver.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Government wants to harvest your organs Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
As of yesterday, that's how it is for Englanders: https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/uk-laws/organ-donation-law-in-england/

You're a bit late. The Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) bill was introduced in 2017 by Labour's Mr Geoffrey Robinson MP and received Royal Assent in March 2019 (over a year ago).If you want to know what's in it, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/7/enacted
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's exactly what we've got in CZE. I say why not, I don't care what they'll do with my body after I'm done using it. Thumbs Up
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If they really wanted to make organ donation effective, then they should have withdrawn the next of kin's right to refuse donation when the donor was carrying a card.

Automatic opt ins do not sit well with me I'm afraid.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
My missus wants to opt out, idgiaf i already have a donor card and i'll be dead anyway (well that's what they tell you Wink Gagged )
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
and the problem is ....
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Automatic opt ins do not sit well with me I'm afraid.

What do you plan to do with your organs once you're dead? Would you accept an organ from an ''automatic opt in'' donor?
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
RhynoCZ wrote:
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Automatic opt ins do not sit well with me I'm afraid.

What do you plan to do with your organs once you're dead? Would you accept an organ from an ''automatic opt in'' donor?


I'm not against organ donation at all but it should be a voluntary opt in, not an opt out for those that don't want to take part. Its the human spare part equivalent of inertia selling.

As for the second part of the question, I'd never know because I simply wouldn't be told.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
I'm not against organ donation at all but it should be a voluntary opt in, not an opt out for those that don't want to take part. Its the human spare part equivalent of inertia selling.


Sure, but then many people do not even think about this therefore if it was still voluntary opt in only, there would be and probably is a ''lack'' of avalible organs for transplants. This way everybody is an organ doner unless he/she says otherwise.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
RhynoCZ wrote:
Islander wrote:
I'm not against organ donation at all but it should be a voluntary opt in, not an opt out for those that don't want to take part. Its the human spare part equivalent of inertia selling.


Sure, but then many people do not even think about this therefore if it was still voluntary opt in only, there would be and probably is a ''lack'' of avalible organs for transplants. This way everybody is an organ doner unless he/she says otherwise.


It's not an argument that convinces me. If you want people to opt in then you do two things:

1. Educate people about the benefits of organ donation.

2. Remove the right of family members to override the wishes of someone that's decided they want to donate.

In other words, you make the effort to engage with people and then you respect their wishes. What you don't do is take the lazy way out and rely on people not opting out of the scheme. That's just immoral.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
linuxyeti wrote:
and the problem is ....


No problem for me really, I just thought I'd inform folk.


Riejufixing wrote:
You're a bit late. The Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) bill was introduced in 2017 by Labour's Mr Geoffrey Robinson MP and received Royal Assent in March 2019 (over a year ago).If you want to know what's in it, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/7/enacted


Yep. Another one I'm late for is the whole internet censorship thing that was pushed through a while ago. I remember there being a big thing about it at the time but I didn't think much about it.

And now I can't even turn off safe search on Google.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
What's the stance with jehovah witnesses? Have they all opted out.

I would have thought if you can't accept a blood transfusion it would apply to organs too.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
What's the stance with jehovah witnesses? Have they all opted out.

I would have thought if you can't accept a blood transfusion it would apply to organs too.


It's opt out of giving, not receiving.

Personally, if/when my liver gives up I'll have anyone's (except Nobbys) I'm not proud. Cool
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
bhinso wrote:
What's the stance with jehovah witnesses? Have they all opted out.

I would have thought if you can't accept a blood transfusion it would apply to organs too.


It's opt out of giving, not receiving.

Personally, if/when my liver gives up I'll have anyone's (except Nobbys) I'm not proud. Cool


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PostPosted: 22:25 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
If they really wanted to make organ donation effective, then they should have withdrawn the next of kin's right to refuse donation when the donor was carrying a card.

Automatic opt ins do not sit well with me I'm afraid.


What are you, or your next of kin going to do with your organs once you've corked it, you're hardly going to need them any longer. I really don't see the issue at all, as, once you're dead, you're dead, so, if there's anything worth re-using, instead of just being left as maggot feed, then, reuse it.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
What you don't do is take the lazy way out and rely on people not opting out of the scheme. That's just immoral.


Not, not really, nothing immoral, as I said, once you've corked it, anything of 'value' to somebody else, is entirely without value for you, as you're dead..
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It's not their body, dead or alive.
Presuming that they can take it the moment you're out the room is disrespectful.
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BTTD wrote:
It's not their body, dead or alive.
Presuming that they can take it the moment you're out the room is disrespectful.

To whom?
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
BTTD wrote:
It's not their body, dead or alive.

Smile The interesting question is "Whose is it?"
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PostPosted: 03:04 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
They say they would never trade off saving you or harvesting the organs. Officially they never would. But unofficially the unspoken code may be very different. For bikers this is a particularly big issue as a biker with a severe head injury is basically a bag of organs on express delivery ready for transplant, in a body not already riddled with disease and toxic medications.

linuxyeti wrote:
Islander wrote:
If they really wanted to make organ donation effective, then they should have withdrawn the next of kin's right to refuse donation when the donor was carrying a card.

Automatic opt ins do not sit well with me I'm afraid.


What are you, or your next of kin going to do with your organs once you've corked it, you're hardly going to need them any longer. I really don't see the issue at all, as, once you're dead, you're dead, so, if there's anything worth re-using, instead of just being left as maggot feed, then, reuse it.


You make moral decisions about yourself, and he makes them about himself. This is pretty fundamental human rights. He may wish to buried intact, its his right.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
linuxyeti wrote:
Islander wrote:
If they really wanted to make organ donation effective, then they should have withdrawn the next of kin's right to refuse donation when the donor was carrying a card.

Automatic opt ins do not sit well with me I'm afraid.


What are you, or your next of kin going to do with your organs once you've corked it, you're hardly going to need them any longer. I really don't see the issue at all, as, once you're dead, you're dead, so, if there's anything worth re-using, instead of just being left as maggot feed, then, reuse it.


Next of kin don't always see it that way and they have the right to override the wishes of the donor. As I said before, I'm not against the idea of organ donation and think it's a generally good thing BUT the gift is with the potential donor, not the state. It should be entirely voluntary - using an automatic opt in is immoral.
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I opted out of this last year and have received confirmation by post.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 22 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Always said I wouldn't opt in because I wouldn't want a pisshead or smackrat benefiting instead of someone deserving.
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