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PostPosted: 19:19 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Slow bike fast or Fast bike slow? Reply with quote

I'm thinking of getting rid of my Street Triple in favour of something with less power. I know it's only a middleweight but to get any fun out of it on the road I have to be going at least three figures.

Has anybody else downgraded and found it more fun on the road? Any recommendations on bike to choose, Duke 390 could be fun?
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes!
I have a bigger bike, however my Hyosung GT250R gets much more road time.
I personally find getting anywhere on a bigger bike easy.

I find going places on the 250 (long distances) much more of an achievement.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smaller bikes can be fun. I chuck around my 250 with merry abandon compared to the GSX and VFR. I would be waiting for a good hard look at the new ZX25R if I was in the market for a new bike that size I could hustle around.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would stay away from a 390.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are limits and exceptions. A 660cc MT03 (I've ridden its offroad sibling) will be much more fun than an Inazuma 250, even through the Inazuma is excellent at what it does.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 12-ish bhp 350 enfield bullet, a 40-ish bhp 612cc Enfield bullet and a 100-ish bhp VFR750.

I'm going for a ride tomorrow and will probably take the 350.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I've got a 12-ish bhp 350 enfield bullet, a 40-ish bhp 612cc Enfield bullet and a 100-ish bhp VFR750.

I'm going for a ride tomorrow and will probably take the 350.


If? And it’s a big if because I have ‘stuff ‘ to do, I get the chance to get out on the bike, it’ll be the 250.
Just because I like my 250.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Slow bike fast or Fast bike slow? Reply with quote

NakedBiker wrote:
I'm thinking of getting rid of my Street Triple in favour of something with less power. I know it's only a middleweight but to get any fun out of it on the road I have to be going at least three figures.


Try some tighter bends.
If you go for a smaller bike, are you going to be using the same roads that you get these three figure speeds on? You might find that boring too.

I guess I'm saying the bike isn't the problem.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 15 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, got rid of my Honda CB1000R because I spent all my time looking at the clocks, behind my back and slowing down. It was just too quick to make much use of it on the road and on the grand scheme of things it wasn't even that fast compared to many bikes available.

I've got a Yamaha XSR700 now, it's 75bhp so a few horses down on the CB but it's so much fun. It's got enough about it to be enjoyable, A & B roads are a blast because you can really open it up without doing silly speeds all the time. It's not slow, it will fly up to 90 or so no problem, it's above that where it doesn't have the pull of something with more power but that's not where I want to be having fun anyway.

I'd stopped using the CB for ages before I sold it because I just wasn't having fun on it but the XSR I'm getting out on it as much as I can. Everyone has their own idea of what is fun but for me, the slower bike ticks the boxes compared to the quicker one.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

An alternative with a bigger bike is to find some twisties and just leave it in third gear. All the time. Ride it on the throttle. I do this on the VFR sometimes and you realise that while it's a 100bhp bike, you're barely using half of it most of the time and your throttle control is shit. Works wonders for your cornering.
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PostPosted: 05:39 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small bike fast for enjoyment. Having said that I’m ecstatic about having my 1100 back later this morning. Three of my bikes follow the “small bike fast” ethos and it’s not fun when it’s the only option.
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on mood and circumstances in my opinion. I can have as much fun on my RD250 with a massive 20bhp (if I'm lucky) to what I can on a Panigale with ten times that. However there's times on the right road when the big effortless bhp just can't be beaten... Horses for courses, really!
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like small bikes, and have a lot of fun with my CRF250L. It's not my only bike though and j wouldn't want to be without my VFR. Sometimes the ease of the bigger bike is appreciated, but then I use my bike for transport as well as fun.

I think the pinnacle for fun is something motard-esque. Husky 701, Duke 690, Hypermotard 821, that sort of thing. It's the torque and the handling that makes smashing through the nadgeriest roads a thrill. Unlike the upright mountain bike feel.r

Basically I think it's more closely related to the weight of the bike amd it's flickabikity. A nice whack of torque to drive out of the bends doesn't hurt either.

That's just me though, I tend to seek out the twistiest, nadgeriest roads I can find, often single track and personally don't enjoy big roadsters or sportsbikes quite so much on these roads as chuckable little bikes or mid sized bikes with a motardy feel.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had lots of Big bikes
Current toy is a FZ6 Fazer but most fun is my Grom MSX125 from honda just max smiles per mile 20k in two years including Scotland and West coast of Ireland

Little bike can be big fun
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not a fast bike fast? Do a trackday and you might fall in love with it again and want to keep it. Also riding a fast bike slow is impressive if you can do it on one wheel (I can't do slow ones) but trying to makes it fun all over again- good way to give yourself a fright.

Also Duke 390 is shit. Back in the A2 days, my friend bought a brand new one. It had an oil leak that wouldn't fuck off. He took it back to them multiple times for warranty work, and it continued to leak.

Ninja 400 or R3 would be more reliable if you want something modern with similar power.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does depend really on what mood and route I fancy taking somewhere. The motorway ride to and from work will invariably be on the Interceptor, quieter pottering around on A,B and unnamed roads, then my Imperiale, and, if I feel like taking the armchair out for a laze, it's the ST7.

I also like small bikes, 125's, I've had plenty, and, you can have plenty of fun on them, however, the nipper and her mate love their Superlight's, as someone has already said, horse for courses, pick which is best for you, it won't necessarily be the best for someone else
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have a cb400 nc31 which I enjoyed but it was ok and that’s about it.

I’m not a fan of new small bikes they’re all moulded to fit into licence groups by weight and power.

I’d rather have something like a gpz500 sv650 cb500. I wouldn’t go any smaller unless it was something specialist like an old classic bike. On top of that I hate the styling of a lot of new bikes.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

After junior totaled my VFR, I downgraded to an R1150R (85hp + ABS). I do not find the BMW to be more fun, although it does hustle through the corners way better than I anticipated. At age 67, the weight of the beemer is becoming a factor in my enjoyment of the bike. I picked up a YBR 125, and really enjoy wringing its neck everywhere I go. Now, when I get back to the states, I will likely sell the BMW for something smaller, say a Kawasaki Z400.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
my Grom MSX125 from honda just max smiles per mile 20k in two years including Scotland and West coast of Ireland

Little bike can be big fun


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PostPosted: 15:09 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
It does depend really on what mood and route I fancy taking somewhere. The motorway ride to and from work will invariably be on the Interceptor, quieter pottering around on A,B and unnamed roads, then my Imperiale, and, if I feel like taking the armchair out for a laze, it's the ST7.


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PostPosted: 16:29 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
An alternative with a bigger bike is to find some twisties and just leave it in third gear. All the time. Ride it on the throttle. I do this on the VFR sometimes and you realise that while it's a 100bhp bike, you're barely using half of it most of the time and your throttle control is shit. Works wonders for your cornering.


This. Ended up in some nadgery stuff on the way back from swapping out a mates reg/rec and did exactly that. Granted, the viffer has plenty of torque to play with, but it's a challenge to stay off the brakes.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
An alternative with a bigger bike is to find some twisties and just leave it in third gear. All the time. Ride it on the throttle. I do this on the VFR sometimes and you realise that while it's a 100bhp bike, you're barely using half of it most of the time and your throttle control is shit. Works wonders for your cornering.


Control is a big part of what I enjoy about riding. I don't want to be able to just wind the throttle open to the max everywhere. I want to match gears and throttle and braking to suit the road. I don't see why you can't do that on a fast bike. Maybe it takes a little more skill. Or if you don't like that idea, maybe it takes a little more subtlety.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my motorcycle life I could ride various machines. My conclusion is, slow bike fast = fun; fast bike fast = scary. The perfect balance being 90's 750cc sports bikes and modern 600cc sports bikes. Fast more than enough, yet still useable on the open road.

EDIT: I did some miles on a '07 ZX10R, the throttle 1/2 way open, go through the gears, and you're doing triple digits in no time. Full throttle and you're batteling to keep the front wheel down. To think modern bikes are even quicker than that, ... well I'm speechless.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 16 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
fast bike fast = scary.


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How about fast bike controlled?
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 17 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
fast bike fast = scary.


Pussy Razz

You knew that was coming Laughing

How about fast bike controlled?


I'd rather be an alive pussy than a dead hero.

Even when you control the bike perfectly, you are still doing triple digits on the open road very often, effortlessly. Other road users are not accustomed to that. The ZX10R was a real eye opener for me (note, bikes got faster since 2007). One thing though, just like the ZX7R, that I owned, the ZX10R gave you tons of false sense of safety. When a bike is made to do 160mph+ and you're going ''just'' 120mph on it, it feels like nothing to you, until the moment something goes wrong.

Lastly, having 120-140kW under my arse and using just 70kW of that, at most, isn't very exciting. Meaning, going slow on a fast bike is, meh.
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