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winz
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better than expensing all sort of shit and bringing it down to less than 10% though hey?
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Furlough doesn't exist, I'm still in the office. I feel far better making a difference than you sitting on mum's grotty cum stained sofa getting stoned.

It isn't jealousy in the slightest, I love my job and furlough would have bored me senseless.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paying dividends isn't a trick or tax avoiding. People with their own limited companies get to decide if they want dividends or to be paid as a normal employee. It's up to them to decide what's right for their personal situation.

Anyway, nobody wants to pay more tax than they have to. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

winz wrote:
Better than expensing all sort of shit and bringing it down to less than 10% though hey?


Making up expenses to reduce your tax bill comes under the category 'tax evasion'.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

Anyway, my taxes are paying for you furloughed folk. I think technically that makes me a key worker Thinking ? Will it be okay if I stand outside and take a bow when all the clappers do their thing tonight? Thinking


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PostPosted: 21:11 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on furlough and really want to get back to work.

Feel like I'm contributing nothing to society (apart from giving my nephew maths/science lessons).

Plus the temptations towards alcohol are all too great Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

The suspense of waiting to hear what King29 has been up to is building but I'm confident he won't disappoint us on his return. Laughing


I have been restoring the BMW 100RS I got earlier in the year. I'll put some pictures up later. I am still off work, my company is paying the additional 20% as they are good. I've got 12 weeks off as I am asthmatic. My day revolves around getting up at 08.00 and going to bed around 23.00, I try to get in 6 hours work on the bike a day. All I can say is I am going to hate retirement.

Wife is back at work, daytime tv is boring, tomorrow I am going to fix the floor in the living room. It's stone blocks which have cracked over time so now I am going to buy some pre mixed concrete from B&Q, the sort that you just tip a 2litre bottle of water in and shake the bag about and it's ready to go. Fill in all the cracks and jobs a good 'un. Boring boring boring.
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PostPosted: 04:09 - 29 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have not been watching the news and work has not given any information. What is happening with the furlough scheme? Is pay being reduced, or made up by employers?
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 29 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Have not been watching the news and work has not given any information. What is happening with the furlough scheme? Is pay being reduced, or made up by employers?


I don't know, but someone I do know has just gone back to work after 4 months, so it is fair to assume we have reached the point where furlough requires employers to contribute now.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 29 Jul 2020    Post subject: Re: Furlough. Reply with quote

MilfHunter wrote:
Anyone else hoping to stay on the gravy train until it derails in October?

I've had my seat on the gravy train since March and I have no intentions of getting off at the next station to return to work unless the ticket inspector physically drags me off because that is what it is going to take to get me back to work.

I have to say getting stoned all day and getting paid 2.5K a month to do so is wonderful. Very Happy

Choo choo......


It’d be terrible if you go back to work shortly and find that your job isn’t there anymore - as happened to my friend yesterday- and that the ‘gravy train’ makes you redundant....

Fingers crossed!
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 09 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming back with a sock of that name just confirms he was the "milfhunter" that used to use the old social networking site "tagged" and used to abuse women all day, threatened to best everyone up and tried getting nudes from a fair few underage girls.

None the less, another here who wasn't furloughed and felt better for not being like you sat on your arse all day doing nothing cept beating your cheesy wotsit to 70s porn hoping to find your mums sex tapes.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was furloughed until June, first two weeks were okay, out on the bike with little traffic, then I got bored, hubby got furloughed a month in to lockdown but had signed a contract to start a new job beginning of this month. He got told the job was no longer available so is now unemployed and where I work is making people redundant but worryingly, a number of people myself included are being disciplined for stuff that weve apparently done wrong with no warning, i went from i dont like the tone of that email to a written warning and capibility meeting with a month PIP which i knew id not manage, my colleague was suspended for stopping at a garden centre to pick something up on the way home in a company vehicle this on top of a final written warning for gross misconduct , people are being demoted and put on 3 month trial periods fortheir new positions etc, all very shady and concerning. Im not sure any of this is very legit, im too tired of the shit to fight them.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

got my second self employment grant on Friday

been working, just been less of it, picking up a bit slowly
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 24 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
where I work is making people redundant but worryingly, a number of people myself included are being disciplined for stuff that weve apparently done wrong with no warning, i went from i dont like the tone of that email to a written warning and capibility meeting with a month PIP which i knew id not manage, my colleague was suspended for stopping at a garden centre to pick something up on the way home in a company vehicle this on top of a final written warning for gross misconduct , people are being demoted and put on 3 month trial periods fortheir new positions etc, all very shady and concerning. Im not sure any of this is very legit, im too tired of the shit to fight them.


I'm not too bad at HR having in the recent past having to be my own HR department for 40+ people.

Everything is here https://www.acas.org.uk/ any diversion from their guidance by yourself or your employer will put the divertee(?) on a very sticky wicket at any tribunal. I've never had a sacking or disciplinary action done by me reversed, conversely I know people who have taken giant shits on their employers by using that site and realising they were (illegally) shafted.

I suspect what you are seeing is an iron application of all rules in order to create disciplinary records bad enough they can sack people (free) rather than make them redundant (costly). Ethical?...... no. Illegal?.... probably not as long as they are following proper procedure.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 24 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was chatting with a financial bloke over the weekend. The sort of cvnt that regards workers as commodities to use and abuse as required (while picking up his 100's of 1000's in bonuses Rolling Eyes ).

He said the furlough was a total waste of time and companies that couldn't have kept people on the payrole at the start without government help won't be able to do it now.

His very callous view was the government should have just let companies keep or make redundant workers and put people on the dole, not on furlough.

Now I don't know enough about it all but I can see his point with the amount of people being sacked now the scheme is coming to and end. Did the gov just put off the inevitable or did furlough save jobs?

Anyone know?
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 24 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Anyone know?


I wouldn't claim to know but from what I've seen I'd not argue with him.

My company furloughed nobody, we grew during the plague. Though I suspect our pain is yet to come as much of our customer base is showing signs of suffering. I'm in the kind of management role that will be first to take a bullet if it does go to shit.

My wife (accountant) was furloughed for 3 months. Was it because her work didn't exist? No. They just let it pile up and then when they needed her back they furloughed someone else Laughing . To me that is abuse of the furlough, it was utilised as temporary cost cutting (Tax payer funded holiday). Her company is now looking to make a massive series of redundancies next month and another in January. So clearly their actual business has imploded and they used furlough because..... well why not?

If what my wife is seeing is indicative of how furlough has been used then, my opinion, yes it's been a massive piss away of money that people don't seem to realise isn't free, we are going to be working till we drop to pay it all off and the benefits it brought are too short term to be worth the cost.

I think it was a populist move to stop riots due to mass unemployment. I'd bet we will still get the mass unemployment just now it will happen over a slightly longer period, so less angry people googling how to make molotovs at the same time.

I suppose there is also an arguement that this exposing how much fat many firms had developed, bloated overgrown teams and management layers. Now when the chips are down and everyone is shitting it about losing their jobs you can trim the fat blaming the Plague and know that those you retained are so scared of losing their job they will bust out silly levels of work to pick up the pieces.

I think if furlough was an analogy it would be you sitting on the crapper, hearing the nuclear warning and sticking bits of bog roll to the window to protect from the blast. Be funny if it wasn't the worlds most expensive bog roll.

Again this is just the (limited) view I've had. I'm sure there will be plenty of more positive examples.

TLDR - Populist move, been abused, probably not worth long term cost. Economy is going to fall in to a steaming pile of crap anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 24 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was discussing this with an accountant who used to do our company accounts before we were bought out. His view was pretty much the same, employers knew from day one a large number of Furloughed staff would never have a job to come back to and it's basically a softer (but more expensive) alternative to hitting the mass redundancy button once lockdown kicked in. Plenty of companies will hang on till the death in November before telling people that they aren't coming back after all.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 24 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, if everyone that is gonna end up unemployed, had all lost their jobs at once, the DWP (or whatever it's called these days? )online system would've collapsed.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 25 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


He said the furlough was a total waste of time and companies that couldn't have kept people on the payrole at the start without government help won't be able to do it now.


Tbh, from my experience, I know of quite a substantial amount of people in differing trades, who were furloughed who are now back at work.

Mates who's a joiner, his son who is a metal worker, British Gas Plumber, office staff at my work. Tbh I probably know of more than 20 people who were on furlough and now aren't.
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