Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover.

[stinkwheel]

From what I can see, this was a one-off payment paid at the time they applied for their visa, presumably BEFORE arriving in the UK?

https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application

Or am I letting truth get in the way of a good story?
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[Polarbear]

It's nothing unusual though. When I worked ashore in different countries paying their taxes the only one that gave me access to their health care was Spain and I obviously had an E111 card for that being at the time in the EU.

When you take a job abroad you accept the conditions that job entails. As a drydock safety supervisor in Japan, I was on a lower wage than the Japanese. So what, I agreed to that.

The Indian nurse in UK has agreed to her terms and conditions. If they are different to a British nurse, that's fine. If the terms of her employment here means she pays a surcharge for accessing the NHS, that's fine too as long as she knew and agreed to it.

The fact she is a nurse doesn't come into it. It's a job just like any other. Access to health care is not job dependant.

As I said earlier, if you want to change the law, fine, lobby your MP and get it changed but knee jerk reaction politics is not the best way to run a country. (repeating myself here).
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[Islander]

It's been announced that the government have changed their collective minds on this. No surcharge will apply.

ETA: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52761052

Excellent news, Listy

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Im-a-Ridah]

Lefties have nothing to say about it when Brits go abroad and get worse treatment than locals

[wr6133]

[Islander]

[Islander]

[wr6133]

[Lord Percy]

[Lord Percy]

Also on the topic of "they ain't British so fuck em"...

I was in India when I applied for my China visa. I had to get all sorts of non-essential health checks done for my application form. Chest X-ray, ECG, blood test, and some other super specialist heart ultrasound thing because my blood test showed low potassium.

All of this was non-emergency and I expected to pay heavily for it (or a heavy price in Indian rupees). It was at a standard public hospital run by the Indian government. The place was full of average folk, rich and poor, with long queues for most things and a stench of TCP all over, but it was managed highly efficiently, was clean and had all the latest modern equipment. I had everything done in less than 2 weeks, including the specialist heart ultrasound.

The final part of the process was to have my China visa application form signed and stamped by an official at the hospital. I got that done, then asked where abouts I should pay for all this.

The doctor gave me the most perplexed look and told me it was free. I felt awkward for having even brought up the issue of money.

I'm going to use bold letters now.

If India can do it, so can we.

[stinkwheel]

According to the rules, your visa gets withdrawn if you don't pay within a week to 10 days of the application.

So presumably all those people who "don't have health care because they can't afford to pay the surcharge" are actually in the country illegally?

Basically, if you don't have the document showing you've paid, you don't have a visa either?
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[bhinso]

RIP donk.

He would have posted sh1t all over this thread.

Those were the days

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

We're assuming they come here primarily to take care of us when in fact they're looking to take advantage of the great opportunities the UK can provide, and fair play to them for that. However I wouldn't have thought it was unreasonable to ask for a financial commitment up front. They're also rather over-represented in the media's reporting.

[BTTD]

[Polarbear]

There are plusses and minuses to everything.

THIS annoys me no end
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52746810

knee jerk politics to keep labour happy.
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[Kris]

[Kris]

On average people pay £1800 a year to fund the NHS and that's irrespective of actually receiving any treatment.

So an extra £400 per year for 5 years when arriving here?

Seems fair to me.

Also, I know that if GPs stay and become residents, they get all fees back, including the VISA charges.
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[Lord Percy]

So British nationals pay £1800, and immigrants pay £2200, and that "seems fair" ...???

I think you might need to go and see one of those immigrant NHS doctors about a problem you've got with your logic

[Riejufixing]

[Johnnythefox]

All of this was non-emergency and I expected to pay heavily for it (or a heavy price in Indian rupees). It was at a standard public hospital run by the Indian government. The place was full of average folk, rich

I'm going to use bold letters now.

If India can do it, so can we.[/quote]




Excuse my lazy Wikki cut and paste -


Since 2005, most of the healthcare capacity added has been in the private sector, or in partnership with the private sector. The private sector consists of 58% of the hospitals in the country, 29% of beds in hospitals, and 81% of doctors.[10]


Max Health hospital facility in Delhi, India
According to National Family Health Survey-3, the private medical sector remains the primary source of health care for 70% of households in urban areas and 63% of households in rural areas.[13] The study conducted by IMS Institute for Healthcare Informatics in 2013, across 12 states in over 14,000 households indicated a steady increase in the usage of private healthcare facilities over the last 25 years for both Out Patient and In Patient services, across rural and urban areas.


I'm going to use bold letters now, it seems much of India cannot 'do [/b[b]]it' and if you can afford to pay you should not have used scarce resources that poor people have more need of.

[Lord Percy]

virtue signalling at maximum I see. I literally asked the doctor "where do I pay" what more can anyone be reasonably expected to do?

But you're right actually, it seems it isn't quite the universal scheme I thought it was. In fact I can't find any information about what the rules truly are for foreigners walking into Indian public hospitals. Maybe I just got lucky. This brings up another question anyway: Why did the doctor let me have it all for free? Did he not know any better? Or do Indians just have less of a nose-upturned attitude toward foreigners using their public services? Still a thing or two to be learned here I think.

[Rebel]

Meanwhile we are giving away 0.7% of our GNI annually in aid, approx.£14.5 billion next year but no amount is enough for the profligate left.
India is spending billions building nukes and spaceships, they are a developed nation and are required to donate the same under UN guidelines.
Until they do IDGAF.

If we can do it so can India

[bhinso]

Donk's missing this.

He would have creamed his pants at this thread.