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To me it sounds like they're wanting to put labels on things rather requiring a new emphasis which in turn would change how things are done. |
Except that now they are allowing servicemen to have dreadlocks, ponytails and beards up to 8 inches long; Royal Hair Force indeed! Why? How will that improve the effectiveness of the armed services?
The length of hair sometimes has practical applications. If you are a technician crawling down the claustrophobically tight confines of the tail boom of a Puma helicopter to get at a faulty Jennings relay in the HF aerial system, where cables and cable ties, bulkheads and all sorts of other snagging obstacles have to be negotiated, are dreadlocks and ponytails likely to help or hinder that task?
In the event of an NBC attack, is a beard likely to help the seal on your respirator, or render it ineffective?
Not to mention that short, neat hair is a standard of discipline - as I said, a subsuming of the individual to the goals of the unit, a requirement for efficient armed forces. Don't like it? Don't join up. End of.
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| Quote: | In the event of an NBC attack, is a beard likely to help the seal on your respirator |
Only if it could hide behind it...
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | Ste wrote: |
To me it sounds like they're wanting to put labels on things rather requiring a new emphasis which in turn would change how things are done. |
Except that now they are allowing servicemen to have dreadlocks, ponytails and beards up to 8 inches long; Royal Hair Force indeed! Why? How will that improve the effectiveness of the armed services?
The length of hair sometimes has practical applications. If you are a technician crawling down the claustrophobically tight confines of the tail boom of a Puma helicopter to get at a faulty Jennings relay in the HF aerial system, where cables and cable ties, bulkheads and all sorts of other snagging obstacles have to be negotiated, are dreadlocks and ponytails likely to help or hinder that task?
In the event of an NBC attack, is a beard likely to help the seal on your respirator, or render it ineffective?
Not to mention that short, neat hair is a standard of discipline - as I said, a subsuming of the individual to the goals of the unit, a requirement for efficient armed forces. Don't like it? Don't join up. End of. |
Citation please? I've seen a few tattooed service people but I've never seen one with dreadlocks.
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Citation please? I've seen a few tattooed service people but I've never seen one with dreadlocks. |
Look it up. It's out there. Just recently introduced, so no, you wouldn't have seen anyone yet. More importantly, can you answer why such a regulation would be relaxed in this way?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8850121/RAF-allow-dreadlocks-braids-ponytails-bid-boost-diversity-service.html
Diversity quotas:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-armed-forces-must-recruit-more-people-ethnic-minorities-says-defence-secretary-10508450.html
Are we going to force people from minorities to join up if they don't come forward voluntarily? Or just make the services so lax that it'll look like easy money for people?
If people can fit the standards and handle the discipline, they should be welcome. Otherwise, go find work elsewhere. What arguments do you have against that, Nobby?
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| Quote: | Are we going to force people from minorities to join up if they don't come forward voluntarily? |
An odd statement. If people who aren't white don't come forward in the numbers required to ensure a properly representative intake, then its obvious what will happen - recruitment will only be from those that applied. We aren't going to see press-gangs outside the mosque or on street corners in Brixton...
Likewise I can't see anyone regardless of ethnicity joining up because they think it'll be easy money. Easy money is sitting on one's arse most of the day playing FIFA and selling the occasional bag. I bet the average scrote makes more in a night than Tommy Atkins makes in a month.
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| Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Ah, the highbrow (!) Version of the sun. Surprised that they didn't manage to wrangle 'just think of the children''.
Hardly quality journalism. |
Do you think they are lying? Such a thing should be easy enough to properly discredit if so. Can you? Have you seen anywhere where the RAF denies it?
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| Diggs wrote: | | Quote: | Are we going to force people from minorities to join up if they don't come forward voluntarily? |
An odd statement. If people who aren't white don't come forward in the numbers required to ensure a properly representative intake, then its obvious what will happen - recruitment will only be from those that applied. We aren't going to see press-gangs outside the mosque or on street corners in Brixton...
Likewise I can't see anyone regardless of ethnicity joining up because they think it'll be easy money. Easy money is sitting on one's arse most of the day playing FIFA and selling the occasional bag. I bet the average scrote makes more in a night than Tommy Atkins makes in a month. |
So why introduce quotas in the first place?
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Is 'quotas' your choice of word, a word used by the sensationalising media or a word used by the armed forces?
Using the 'q' word will always promote a negative reaction, as it has done in you. To describe the process as one of a move towards inclusivity and a truer representation of our ethnic makeup is a tad less dramatic... You can argue that both are effectively the same thing, however it is all about the way its presented. 
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| Diggs wrote: | | Quote: | So why introduce quotas in the first place? |
Is 'quotas' your choice of word, a word used by the sensationalising media or a word used by the armed forces?
Using the 'q' word will always promote a negative reaction, as it has done in you. To describe the process as one of a move towards inclusivity and a truer representation of our ethnic makeup is a tad less dramatic... You can argue that both are effectively the same thing, however it is all about the way its presented. |
Ah, the lefty liberal word game! 
| Quote: | The Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has told service chiefs that by 2020 at least 10 per cent of all new joiners will have to come from a non-white background. |
Is that not a quota? Ok, lets call it a numbers requirement. Why do the armed services need such a requirement if their job is being accomplished effectively? Why do the armed services need "a truer representation of our ethnic makeup"? What British citizens, that can fit service requirements, are being denied the chance to join the armed services? Why is it not enough to say that these are the rules of service in the armed forces - if you wish to join and can fit them, you are welcome, if you can't, then maybe this isn't the career for you?
I would say the same to any potential immigrants to this country. If you can live within the laws of the land and we have opportunities there for you, you are welcome. If you can't, and we don't have the opportunities you are looking for, look elsewhere.
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I'm not defending it, merely offering an alternative way of looking at it...
Given that (IMO) the main threat we as a country face now is from the barmy side of Islam, wouldn't it make more sense to have a higher proportion of members of the armed forces, security forces etc who are Islamic, albeit not the nuttier end? Just saying...
Chickenbreath, I take it your use of the expression 'the lefty liberal word game' means that 'quota' wasn't a word used by the armed forces?
Polarbear I agree entirely that not every job should be undertaken by a mirror image of our nation's citizens because that ignores the fact that we all have different backgrounds and were dealt different hands at birth. I don't think there is anything wrong with moving towards a level playing field of opportunity though as a general principle.
I don't agree with your statement that people work where they want to work in the UK. People work where somebody will employ them, which is a completely different thing. You used the example of taxi drivers in Milton Keynes and the fact that you couldn't get a job doing that, whether you'd want it or not.
Levelling up the playing field a bit won't create racism unless the media tells us honkies to be offended. Doing it to the extent that the wrong people are employed at the expense of the better qualified or able will. On this I am sure we all agree 
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| Diggs wrote: | I'm not defending it, merely offering an alternative way of looking at it...
Given that (IMO) the main threat we as a country face now is from the barmy side of Islam, wouldn't it make more sense to have a higher proportion of members of the armed forces, security forces etc who are Islamic, albeit not the nuttier end? Just saying...
Chickenbreath, I take it your use of the expression 'the lefty liberal word game' means that 'quota' wasn't a word used by the armed forces?
Polarbear I agree entirely that not every job should be undertaken by a mirror image of our nation's citizens because that ignores the fact that we all have different backgrounds and were dealt different hands at birth. I don't think there is anything wrong with moving towards a level playing field of opportunity though as a general principle.
I don't agree with your statement that people work where they want to work in the UK. People work where somebody will employ them, which is a completely different thing. You used the example of taxi drivers in Milton Keynes and the fact that you couldn't get a job doing that, whether you'd want it or not.
Levelling up the playing field a bit won't create racism unless the media tells us honkies to be offended. Doing it to the extent that the wrong people are employed at the expense of the better qualified or able will. On this I am sure we all agree |
Insults normally mean one has conceded the argument This appears to be confirmed by the fact you failed to answer a single one of the questions I put to you 
So many holes in your thinking, it's a wonder you can string a sentence together, especially since you seem to struggle with the definitions of really quite simple words. Never mind. Have another turmeric latte darling
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| Polarbear wrote: | I totally agree with ensuring the playing field is level |
I would be very careful with admitting to that with a lefty liberal. They support the EU's idea of a "level playing field", which is anything but.
But that is their tactic, perfectly illustrated above. If you know you have no argument, or it is weak, resort to word games, altering definitions to suit your point, or outright getting offended by words. Or pretending to, anyway. Or any tactic that allows them to avoid directly answering your challenges, because they know if they try, it all falls apart for them.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | I totally agree with ensuring the playing field is level |
I would be very careful with admitting to that with a lefty liberal. They support the EU's idea of a "level playing field", which is anything but.
But that is their tactic, perfectly illustrated above. If you know you have no argument, or it is weak, resort to word games, altering definitions to suit your point, or outright getting offended by words. Or pretending to, anyway. Or any tactic that allows them to avoid directly answering your challenges, because they know if they try, it all falls apart for them. |
Who rattled your coop?
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Best not laugh so much. Those turmeric stains are a bugger to get out 
Still not able to steel yourself to answer some of the questions I put to you? Maybe stick to delivering the post, perhaps you can manage that.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | Except that now they are allowing servicemen to have dreadlocks, ponytails and beards up to 8 inches long; Royal Hair Force indeed! Why? How will that improve the effectiveness of the armed services? |
Why? Why not?
I'm making assumptions here but they'll be recruited on qualities and skills other than their hair style. Those qualities and skills will improve the effectiveness of the armed services.
| chickenstrip wrote: | The length of hair sometimes has practical applications. If you are a technician crawling down the claustrophobically tight confines of the tail boom of a Puma helicopter to get at a faulty Jennings relay in the HF aerial system, where cables and cable ties, bulkheads and all sorts of other snagging obstacles have to be negotiated, are dreadlocks and ponytails likely to help or hinder that task? |
I presume that those with long hair won't be eligible for those roles and they won't have signed up with those roles in mind for their career anyway. For IT based roles, what hair style someone happens to have is unlikely to make any difference to their IT abilities.
| chickenstrip wrote: | In the event of an NBC attack, is a beard likely to help the seal on your respirator, or render it ineffective? |
Dreadlock man with his ponytail and beard won't be anywhere near places where that would be a consideration otherwise he'll need a set of clippers to go with his respirator.
| chickenstrip wrote: | Not to mention that short, neat hair is a standard of discipline - as I said, a subsuming of the individual to the goals of the unit, a requirement for efficient armed forces. Don't like it? Don't join up. End of. |
Can't argue on the standard of discipline thing but their skills could be more important than their haircut. |
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I don't understand why you think professors and students are the ones deciding how the military goes about its policy-making.
The RAF statement on EQ will have surely been written and agreed upon by... people in the RAF. |
The pressure to adopt such approaches comes from government - the MOD and ministers therein. The pressure on them comes from society. Academics will often have a hand in forging government policy.
I say there is a malaise in society today, so results of that will not always be a positive thing. There are certain institutions that are too important to be allowed to be affected by this malaise, by politics. The armed services are one such.
I still don't see any requirement for the armed forces to change anything. Racism and other ugly manifestations are dealt with as things were. Sometimes there are failings to tackle such episodes properly, and it is these failings that need addressing. But as with all our institutions, there is no systemic racism. You cannot find anything in military policy where it states that people should be discriminated against on the basis of colour or ethnicity. Some of our best soldiers are black. Look at the VC won by Private Beharry for e.g., before these quotas and policies of diversity were thought of. The armed services are already diverse, as I can state from experience. If those from ethnic backgrounds or other minority groups don't wish to join up, that's their choice. It doesn't mean that discipline should be relaxed to encourage them. Our services are frequently acknowledged to be among the best in the world as things stand. If it ain't broke...
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