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Lord Percy
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

Can't believe I'm sharing a Daily Mail article... but my lazy google skills couldn't find much else on the story...

How much DOES the surcharge for foreign NHS workers make?

After having his life saved by healthcare staff who will have undoubtedly had foreigners among them, Boris Johnson still thinks it is right that foreign NHS workers should not be granted free healthcare. I'd have thought such a thing would be an obvious perk of the job.

Johnson claimed it's a £900M revenue stream for the country, but the IFS quickly debunked that and put that value at something nearer £90M. This is absolute peanuts, when you consider other money pits... corporate tax breaks, Trident, battleships, HS2, posh banquets... the list goes on... but oh no, who would ever consider providing free healthcare at a cost!?

So what's going on here? Maybe if we all stand outside and clap a bit louder it'll help?
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends how you dress it up.

No, really. It's a job just like any other job. People come from abroad to work here in a variety of jobs, NHS, fruit picking, serving in bars etc. Why should one job have priority over another?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against anyone working here legitimately having use of the NHS if that's what the law allows. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Petition your MP to change the law but to give one group of workers an exemption over any other is wrong.

Knee jerk reactions are not the way to run a country.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that's a fair argument.

It just seems a bit strange though. Most jobs used to have perks, i.e. I worked in McDonalds when I was 17... I got free Big Macs on my break.

Even basic healthcare, i.e. A&E cover + doctor visits, would be reasonable. Given what they're doing for the country, it's surely worth that.

(Bit of a tangential point but I think an even better thing would be to have more of our own British healthcare workers manning the NHS, rather than being forced to import them... but hey ho, Tory doctrine seems to have paved the way for as little of that as possible)
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I worked in McDonalds when I was 17... I got free Big Macs on my break.


Some people's idea of what constitutes a perk baffles me Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
I worked in McDonalds when I was 17... I got free Big Macs on my break.


Some people's idea of what constitutes a perk baffles me Laughing


You beat me to it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also got food poisoning and quit 2 weeks later Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he did what you suggest because immigrant NHS staff "saved his life*" then that would be corruption in public office. I thought you opposed Tory MPs doing stuff to help their mates, what changed? Thinking

What we need is a left wing spending fund paid for by left wing voters to pay for all the extra spending left wing people want made.

*Just in for monitoring they said Thinking
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
I worked in McDonalds when I was 17... I got free Big Macs on my break.


Some people's idea of what constitutes a perk baffles me Laughing


Are you mocking a restaurant staffed by immigrants? Surprised
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Are you mocking a restaurant staffed by immigrants? Surprised


I have absolutely no idea who staffs McD's. If it's staffed by immigrants, that's one set of immigrants we don't need Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What we need is a left wing spending fund paid for by left wing voters to pay for all the extra spending left wing people want made.


You mean a left wing spending fund to pay for the massive gap left by ten years of government sell-offs and corporate tax breaks?

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*Just in for monitoring they said Thinking


Probably hyperbole, but if you watch any PMQs Johnson quite clearly said he owes them his life.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have absolutely no idea who staffs McD's. If it's staffed by immigrants, that's one set of immigrants we don't need Laughing


Most are students I think.

One thing I haven't managed to figure out yet is the amount of non-EU immigrants working in takeaway shops. There's a kebab place I used to go to in Leeds which had a guy from Bangladesh working there. Definitely not a student, and quite clearly not on the skills shortage list.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


What we need is a left wing spending fund paid for by left wing voters to pay for all the extra spending left wing people want made.


You mean a left wing spending fund to pay for the massive gap left by ten years of government sell-offs and corporate tax breaks?

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*Just in for monitoring they said Thinking


Probably hyperbole, but if you watch any PMQs Johnson quite clearly said he owes them his life.


So you support the fund, excellent! We can just stick another 20% on your income tax Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same rules for everyone. Government workers still pay tax, even though it goes straight back to the government. Foreign workers have to pay for health insurance, just as you or I would if we worked abroad.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Definitely not a student, and quite clearly not on the skills shortage list.


Dunno if it ever got cracked down on but if not you'll find he "studies", at an English school that is someones house and has 200 students paying fee's.

Don't care if it's hypocritical or whatever what you posted in the OP is shocking (my head is far enough up my own arse I didnt even know that was a thing). Best care I had in my last hospital stay was from Indian ladies, the fact they have to pay for the same healthcare that they provide? No that doesn't sit right. Infact it's just plain wrong.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Same rules for everyone. Government workers still pay tax, even though it goes straight back to the government. Foreign workers have to pay for health insurance, just as you or I would if we worked abroad.


But left wing people believe that BAME immigrants are the most important group and so they should be exempt from everything including all taxes and laws.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
BTTD wrote:
Same rules for everyone. Government workers still pay tax, even though it goes straight back to the government. Foreign workers have to pay for health insurance, just as you or I would if we worked abroad.


But left wing people believe that BAME immigrants are the most important group and so they should be exempt from everything including all taxes and laws.



Really? Its sounds like you are taking up donks slack.

I don't think that any racial grouping is any better or worse than any other and believe that people should be judged on their actions and not based on something as irrelevant as skin colour.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think that any racial grouping is any better or worse than any other and believe that people should be judged on their actions and not based on something as irrelevant as skin colour.


That'd be nice! Instead black ppl get a free pass to deal drugs and shoot the place up while asian ppl get to fiddle with kids - only in a group of course - and "Iranians" get to go to the beach with their dinghies while white people are all under house arrest.

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PostPosted: 13:47 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? Its sounds like you are taking up donks slack.

I don't think that any racial grouping is any better or worse than any other and believe that people should be judged on their actions and not based on something as irrelevant as skin colour.


They say this but the actions say something different. Donk is equal and opposite of the leftists. Generally when people talk about "equality" they are in process of asking for more special treatment. If a group has to be named e.g BAME, immigrants etc then that group is being singled out of different treatment, good or bad.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

So what's going on here?


Sorry, what free healthcare should they get? I don't know anyone that gets free healthcare other than those with private medical plans through employers.. Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Sorry, what free healthcare should they get? I don't know anyone that gets free healthcare other than those with private medical plans through employers.. Thinking


So when do you whip out your credit card in an NHS hospital? You don't, unless I've been doing it wrong.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

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Johnson claimed it's a £900M revenue stream for the country, but the IFS quickly debunked that and put that value at something nearer £90M. This is absolute peanuts


If it's absolute peanuts, give it to me!!!

It's not absolute peanuts in any language, it's bteween 6000 and 9000 hip operations depending on whose costs you believe or mor importantly would buy me .......

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PostPosted: 14:07 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

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So when do you whip out your credit card in an NHS hospital? You don't, unless I've been doing it wrong.


That's not how you (or I) pay for the NHS though, is it.

Where do you think the NHS money comes from? The money tree?

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PostPosted: 14:19 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

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That's not how you (or I) pay for the NHS though, is it.

Where do you think the NHS money comes from? The money tree?

Laughing


Tax and NICs.

You know foreign nurses are also paying those?

So why should they pay extra? Why should the nurse providing you healthcare pay more than you for the same?
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

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So why should they pay extra? Why should the nurse providing you healthcare pay more than you for the same?


Pay extra for what? Give me an example of what they pay extra for that is so unreasonable.

Most people already pay extra for a lot of additional NHS services (dentist for one) even though they've been contributing to it for years.

Are you thinking that foreign nationals are refused emergency or GP care if they don't pay? I have news for you - they don't.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 21 May 2020    Post subject: Re: Make em pay? NHS workers without health cover. Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
wr6133 wrote:


So why should they pay extra? Why should the nurse providing you healthcare pay more than you for the same?


Pay extra for what? Give me an example of what they pay extra for that is so unreasonable.

Most people already pay extra for a lot of additional NHS services (dentist for one) even though they've been contributing to it for years.

Are you thinking that foreign nationals are refused emergency or GP care if they don't pay? I have news for you - they don't.


Stop trying to subtly change the debate, at no point have I said anything about a refusal of care. Also WTF have additional services got to do with it?

You pay income tax and NICs.

Nurse from India pays income tax and NICs

That's it for you, all you pay or will ever pay

Nurse from India has to pay a surcharge of £400 a year. You don't. Foreign nurse is therefore paying £400 a year MORE than you are for the same service. A service that the said nurse is actually a key part of providing (to others not herself obviously). Here is the extra they are paying.

Simple enough or you need me to draw it in Crayola?
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