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Posted: 13:11 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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It's gone beyond being "The Cummings Affair" now.
Its about how Doris and co have managed it. Remember not so long ago, Doris swept to victory with a massive majority gifted by Corbyn & Swinson, not Cummings?
He vowed to get Brexit done and the country breathed (no irony intended) a sigh of relief because Doris was a "breath of fresh air" and we could all sit back and let him get on with things.
Then the pandemic hit and even though he cocked things up badly from the start, failing to lockdown, close borders etc, the public kept faith with him.
Then he caught it and "nearly died" but fought bravely to come back to "lead" us.
Then he had a(nother) ickle babby and everyone went, "Aahh"
So all.of the above meant that despite his known previous failings and misdemenours, the UK had a degree of trust and confidence in him.
Then this started to kick off and he and no 10 denied and lied and obstructed till it all spewed out into the public domain.
At that point there was a window of opportunity to limit the damage.
Cummings should have issued a statement saying "It's true I did it I shouldn't have. I was panicking, not thinking. I know how this looks. I offer my regret and apologies to the PM and the people of UK. I have offered to resign."
Followed by PM saying "I, as I am sure all other right thinking people deplore the actions of Mr Cummings in breaking lockdown. I have listened to his explanation and while it is plain that he acted wrongly, I understand but do not condone, his reasoning. He has offered his resignation which I have decided not to accept for the following reason. Mr Cummings has played a vital role as an advisor and has a wealth of knowledge and experience which I believe are too valuable to be lost to the government at this time. However his position will be kept under review and he assures me that he will adhere to all government guidance from now on."
All of which is total bullshit, but something like that, more contrition,would have neutralised a lot of the anger and baying for blood that's now happening, leaving Doris & co free to concentrate of dealing with the pandemic by killing people and protecting business. Instead they're being wheeled out in turn to protect Cummings and making the situation worse with every appearance.
As it is Doris and his sycophants and Cummings have painted themselves into a corner they can't get out of without appearing to be idiots or liars. They are taking it in turns to justify the unjustifiable.
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Posted: 13:13 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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Posted: 13:19 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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Tracey Suntan-Leftwaffe wrote: |
As it is Doris and his sycophants and Cummings have painted themselves into a corner they can't get out of without appearing to be idiots or liars. They are taking it in turns to justify the unjustifiable.
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Michael Gove, upon being asked for his response to the bishop of Leeds' criticisms of the government over the past couple of days:
I wish the bishop well.
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Seems the Tory leadership are increasingly reading from the Donald Trump guidebook on nonsense talk. |
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So what bad news has been buried? |
Dunno, it's been buried. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 13:51 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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The next thing to happen will be a managed social media campaign to make anybody talking about this appear a twat in the eyes of the public.
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Posted: 13:55 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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I can't shake off a nagging suspicion that this farago (the handling of it all) has been deliberately orchestrated by Cummings. I just can't work out why.
He's supposed to be a master at reading the public mood and communicating carefully crafted messages to achieve objectives.
How could he/they get this so wrong and keep pouring petrol on the flames of rage everybody is feeling? Is it deliberate?
Is it a plan to get Doris out of the job that he's clearly no good at, not up to and obviously hates?
Is is a plan to demonise the MSM (for harassing a good father for only doing what's right) to set up a fake news agenda and destroy public trust in the media? Stop sniggering at the back
Or a plan to restore Tories as the nasty party we temporarily forgot about when they started spaffing money in every direction when the pandemic took hold?
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Posted: 15:58 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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It's beyond parody
See: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-blog-pandemic
“Last year I wrote about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning,” he told reporters at a press conference on Monday.
Except that the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine has proved that the only possible source of this writing - Cummings' blog - was edited to include this info after he returned from Durham
And BTW - why has nobody apparently asked the question as to why his wife couldn't have driven the family back to London if need be, rather than having the infamous 'eye-test' drive to Barnard Castle? ____________________ KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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I think the obvious factor here is that Cummings (and any other person holding positions of that kind) is supposed to properly represent the rules that their job is to govern.
Similar to how people every day will speed on the road if they can get away with it, but if a traffic copper is caught doing it he'll have a hell of a lot to answer for, far more than just a fine.
So yes, Cummings etc are human, but they chose a particular job and should be held to stricter standards for that reason alone. |
Could he have thought that as he doesn't hold a ministerial position, he'd be out of the limelight?
My take is, yes, he behaved stupidly, but, most people understand why we have the rules and guidelines in place, and won't see his actions as a reason to violate those rules themselves. After all, they are there for a reason. It'd be daft to risk yourself because some other idiot did. I do think the media and others are on a witch hunt too though. That just seems to be the way things are done these days, and no one is neutral anymore - no non-partisan commentators. People who don't like DC want him gone. People who don't like Boris want him gone, and will look for any excuse to engineer his downfall. At the moment, the Tories are in government, so it's all focussed on them, but if Labour were in office, I'd bet it wouldn't be any different, especially if Corbyn were still their leader.
Starmer otoh...dunno. Still a bit of a dark horse to me, and probably too early to call. I'm much more interested to see how he pans out as leader of the opposition, and the interplay between him and Boris in more normal times.
Certainly the govt. haven't handled this well as far as public perception is concerned.
But do we really need all the exaggerated rage from certain quarters?! Call for the chap's resignation if you feel he should, and then let's get back to the important stuff that is affecting everyone every day right now. Then we can vote for someone else at the next election if it bothers us that much. Isn't that how we're supposed to do these things in a democracy? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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But do we really need all the exaggerated rage from certain quarters?! |
If he had done the decent thing and fallen on his sword (or laptop in his case...) then I'd agree. Trouble is, he didn't and the Government are backing him up. This is despite his tale containing more holes than Stephen Waldorf's mini. By backing him up, the Government has made it more of a 'thing' than it should have been and put itself in the line of fire... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Oh, I quite agree the handling of the whole thing has been abysmal. But the reason I have little affection for the rage-haters is the way people, and especially the media have reacted. Did you see Little Ms. Meritless on Newsnight last night, and especially her introduction? More of an opinion piece than news reporting. I wish the media would step back from this style a bit. It is very polarising, and not at all helpful. The BBC especially, as a publicly financed institution, should be far more neutral than this. Or at least, should act less indignant, as if it were all a personal insult aimed at them. No wonder people call for the abolition of the licence fee. They're really not doing themselves any favours. The media do not represent the public, and should stop pretending they do. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 18:49 - 27 May 2020 Post subject: |
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I don't actually know anyone that really gives too much of a sh1t about what he did except maybe for the 'drive to test my eyesight'
However the media won't drop it unless they get another juicer carcass to chew on.
I'm just fed up with the whole lot of them TBH although I have a feeling someone is approaching my Diane Abbott level of dislike - Laura Kuenssberg, take a bow you sanctimonious whining little bitch. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Ok Cummings did not follow the rules but neither did a lot of peeps, I really don't give a flying fuck what he did it seem's a bit like a witch hunt. ____________________ If It Aint broke Don't Fix It |
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God this section has got dull now "-" has left.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 336 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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