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PostPosted: 21:48 - 27 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:15 - 27 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
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The hypocrisy is rife in everyone.

No, it isn't.

Oh yes it is Razz
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

No, it isn't.

Oh yes it is Razz


Ooooh no it isn't!
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The BBC especially, as a publicly financed institution, should be far more neutral than this.


Media's job is to inform about events, not seek neutrality.

If one person claims that May has 31 days and another claims that it has 310, a medium that treats both claims equally and indicates that the truth may well be somewhere around 170 days is a pathetic medium.

Cummings took a cross country trip when likely infected. Fact.
He then drove about some more. Fact.
Such behaviour by you or me could end up with hefty fines. Fact.
Such behaviour by Cummings ends up defended by powerful figures led by PM Johnson. Fact.

This is as outrageously double standards as it can possibly get, and it's media's job to report of outrage occurring.
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panrider_uk
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
The BBC especially, as a publicly financed institution, should be far more neutral than this.


Media's job is to inform about events, not seek neutrality.

If one person claims that May has 31 days and another claims that it has 310, a medium that treats both claims equally and indicates that the truth may well be somewhere around 170 days is a pathetic medium.

Cummings took a cross country trip when likely infected. Fact.
He then drove about some more. Fact.
Such behaviour by you or me could end up with hefty fines. Fact.
Such behaviour by Cummings ends up defended by powerful figures led by PM Johnson. Fact.

This is as outrageously double standards as it can possibly get, and it's media's job to report of outrage occurring.


In reality:
They informed us about it on day 1.

We don't need informing about it on every single news programme for days afterwards.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:

This is as outrageously double standards as it can possibly get, and it's media's job to report of outrage occurring.


In reality:
They informed us about it on day 1.

We don't need informing about it on every single news programme for days afterwards.


It would make sense if Cummings behaved like a reasonably decent person, i.e. apologised and resigned.

Instead he attacked the reporters and invented absurd excuses. Johnson and his toadies then started to explain how normal people's laws didn't apply to him. This is ongoing and keeps the story alive.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree it needs to be dropped. Trouble is, Boris wants to sweep it under the carpet rather than do the right thing and that will perpetuate it.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
This is ongoing and keeps the story alive.

Bit like any bloke who comes out with a load of crap and can't back it up, eh.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
Cummings took a cross country trip when likely infected. Fact.
He then drove about some more. Fact.
Such behaviour by you or me could end up with hefty fines. Fact.
Such behaviour by Cummings ends up defended by powerful figures led by PM Johnson. Fact.

This is as outrageously double standards as it can possibly get, and it's media's job to report of outrage occurring.

So get the police to squeeze the £30 out of him and that's "job done", fact, and all the wankers can STFU, fact. That wouls suffice, fact.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In all fairness, he may be many things, but, he's not an idiot, quite the opposite in fact, he's actually a very intelligent man. having said that, I'm not so keen on him, just don't fall into the trap that makes you think he's an idiot


In this case, I am not using idiot as lacking academic intelligence, rather idiot in their complete lack of emotional intelligence. Someone so unable to see how their actions would be perceived when they came out (and it is obvious those actions would come out) probably should never be in a position where any level of people skills are required. Let alone as a high level government “advisor”.

Maybe he is a sociopath / psychopath, in which case I would have hoped he would have been found earlier

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PostPosted: 11:15 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:
Cummings took a cross country trip when likely infected. Fact.
He then drove about some more. Fact.
Such behaviour by you or me could end up with hefty fines. Fact.
Such behaviour by Cummings ends up defended by powerful figures led by PM Johnson. Fact.

This is as outrageously double standards as it can possibly get, and it's media's job to report of outrage occurring.

So get the police to squeeze the £30 out of him and that's "job done", fact, and all the wankers can STFU, fact. That wouls suffice, fact.


That would suffice if he was a private person. He is, however, a powerful figure in a government which at the time was ordering people to stay home to avoid literally deadly consequences.
He should lead by example or be made into one.

Note that even that little he refused to do. Even that £30 is for you and me, but not for Dear Leader's Toadwart.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rebel wrote:
The media are enemies of the people. Traitorous minions of an enslavement agenda. They will promote societal division and rancour at every opportunity.


The media publishes whatever will generate £££ for them.

I'm pretty sure also that there are plenty of people in the boardrooms of various widely read publications who know full well that their front pages can dictate the entire direction of a nation. And I'm pretty sure that there will have been multiple occasions, every year, for which these folk will have looked at their front pages before publication and had a good long laugh about the shit they know they're about to unleash. The power must be almost nauseating at times.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominic Cummings did break lockdown rules when he made a 50-mile journey to Barnard Castle, an investigation by Durham Police has concluded.

The Prime Minister’s most senior aide claimed he made the trip on Easter Sunday, with his wife and four-year-old son, to check he was fit to drive after suffering coronavirus-related eyesight problems.

Mr Cummings insisted he had acted “lawfully and reasonably” at all times when he made the 260-mile journey from London to Durham to self-isolate at his parents’ farm at the end of March.

But The Telegraph has learned that an investigation by Durham Police has concluded he did commit a "minor breach" of the guidelines when he drove to Barnard Castle on April 12.

However the force, which according to the most recent data, has issued 137 fines for lockdown breaches, said it would not be taking any further action against Mr Cummings.

The force said it did not consider Mr Cummings had breached the regulations when self-isolating at his father’s farm in Durham at the end of March but that the trip to Durham did constitute a “minor breach”.

Its statement said the journey “might have been a minor breach of the regulations that would have warranted police intervention”.

The statement went on: “Durham Constabulary view this is as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/28/dominic-cummings-did-breach-coronavirus-guidelines-durham-police/
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thare y'go. So which "special ones" who may have been doing their own breach of guidelines are going to keep whingeing.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's really about the he-said she-said tit-for-tat debate over what Cummings specifically did. Everyone know he did something a little bit wrong, and everyone know he isn't the first British person to have done such a thing. The reason most people are so pissed off is that nobody from Boris et al have done a thing about it. The previous two advisors who broke the rules were not given such desperate amounts of leeway to keep them in a job. They were gone within a day! The desperate protection of Cummings, the unelected bureaucrat who hates unelected bureaucrats, is what has really pissed people off. And quite rightly!
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
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I miss the good old days, log in to a daily fite on tap Sad


Careful now, I made a comment about BCF turning into a safe space and got neg ratings.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I dislike this culture of anyone in politics who makes a minor mistake must immediately resign.

Ok for gross misconduct, as in private industry, but for misdemeanours - no.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A sincere apology would've gone a long way.

Now it appears he and his boss have contempt towards us plebs.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, perhaps, Boris values him as an advisor and is prepared to fight to keep him.

Personally I like that in a boss.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris made the choice to back his buddy rather than to back the public health guidelines / legislation.

As for the culture of if anyone in politics who makes a minor mistake must immediately resign, Cummings isn't just anyone in politics, he's the chief advisor to the prime minister.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen much fight, deflection yes.

80 members are also not happy with how the boss is handling this with 44 asking for Cummings to resign. That's conservative members.

Puts the boss on a weak footing when decisions are questioned by so many on their team.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
I've not seen much fight, deflection yes.

80 members are also not happy with how the boss is handling this with 44 asking for Cummings to resign. That's conservative members.

Puts the boss on a weak footing when decisions are questioned by so many on their team.


So the majority are happy about it
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 28 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Numerically yes. Smile
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