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 Posted: 11:56 - 12 Jun 2020 Post subject: Plastics repairs? |
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I’m in the process of buying a scrapper for parts for my current bike.
As I’m going to pull it to pieces, I thought I would try to rescue the plastics that have a few minor cracks in places.
I have searched ‘teh net’ and nothing particularly jumps out at me.
I haven’t got a plastic welder and taking parts to a specialist would not be a financial option.
So oh mighty BCF , I seek your wisdom.
Can anyone recommend a particular product they have used with success?
Any particular tips about how I would go about this?
What should I avoid?
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The powder filler (and liquid to mix it with) that women use for acrylic nails.
It does everything this claims at a fraction of the cost https://www.plastex.net/ (this stuff is just nail filler and liquid with a markup and a thing for moulding lugs).
I used it to fix an old ZZR fairing, remade lugs, stuck them in place. When I threw it down the road the repairs held and it was other bits broke. |
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Interesting
A trip to a nail bar might be interesting
I would had never thought of that.
Halfruads fibreglass kit might be easy to get.
I was thinking of doing the repairs from inside the fairing.
Structural integrity is more important than how it looks at this time.
I can always attempt to make it better looking at a later date.
The cracks are only minor, so it’s more of a learning exercise. ____________________ I am the sum total of my own existence, what went before makes me who I am now! |
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Hey Pepperami, if you have any pictures, please upload them and I'll do my best to advise.
I'm in the trade and may be able to help.  ____________________ Current Bike:-Suzuki GSXR 1000 - K3
Past Bikes:- ZX6-R, ZX7-R, RSV Mille x2 (1st Gen). |
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Rebuilt an ABS mudguard with gorilla glue
Just drill the ends of the cracks, wash it and ensure the joining faces are clean. Worked a dream. I left mine 48 hrs before using. Been fine for months now. ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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 Posted: 14:33 - 12 Jun 2020 Post subject: Re: Plastics repairs? |
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| pepperami wrote: | Can anyone recommend a particular product they have used with success? |
Depends what plastic it is. You will often find a "manufacture date" grid and the type of plastic imprinted on the inside if the plastics somewhere.
For ABS use solvent or solvent filler for a strong repair, see: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4566881 and possibly elsewhere, I've used done this a few times and it's excellent.
For fibreglass, use fibreglass.
For polypropylene, plastic welding would be best, but the pieces are often surprisingly cheap (e.g. the black "inside" bits) new (ebay tends to be pricier! ).
For anything, if it's not on show, you can "stitch" the plastic using single-conductor mains cable, e.g. lighting cable, with the insulation stripped, with filler if you need/like. |
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| Riejufixing wrote: | | pepperami wrote: | Can anyone recommend a particular product they have used with success? |
Depends what plastic it is. You will often find a "manufacture date" grid and the type of plastic imprinted on the inside if the plastics somewhere.
For ABS use solvent or solvent filler for a strong repair, see: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4566881 and possibly elsewhere, I've used done this a few times and it's excellent.
For fibreglass, use fibreglass.
For polypropylene, plastic welding would be best, but the pieces are often surprisingly cheap (e.g. the black "inside" bits) new (ebay tends to be pricier! ).
For anything, if it's not on show, you can "stitch" the plastic using single-conductor mains cable, e.g. lighting cable, with the insulation stripped, with filler if you need/like. |
+1 for plumbers solvent weld glue - repaired an cheap indicator stalk with it the other day - it broke 'nicely' so wasn't a difficult fix. The stuff can get a bit messy and will need supporting during curing - 24 hrs is best. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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West systems g-flex thickened epoxy with one or two layers of Bias weave fibreglass over the back.
Flame ABS plastic first to make it key.
Don't forget to drill a stop hole at the end of the crack.
They glue smashed up kayaks back together with the stuff. Including ABS ones. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| Bru wrote: | Definitely second vote for plumbers' solvent for ABS - like FloPlast - although it is difficult to find a tub which actually states 'for ABS', rather than just PVC. The stuff works very quickly, even on old cracks. |
Old cracks?? It's a bit worrying where this conversation is going!!
FloPlast SC250 is available at Wickes, Screwfix, B&Q... it's just a thickened liquid containing MEK. It's not, as you probably know, actually a glue, but a solvent cement, which liquifies the surface of the substrate, and when the liquified edges are in contact evaporates to leave only the original material.
I use plain ordinary MEK on cracks in ABS, just drop some on and it runs into the crack, then no more crack (needs to be oil-free first, though...). It's better than pipe cement because it's very runny and gets right in the crack, and also you can dissolve shavings of coloured MEK in it to make a thick gap-filling cement (a glass Marmite jar is good because neither it not the lid dissolves and it's a good seal).
You need PVC or polythene gloves, though, or just take care, because it turns nitrile ones into cornflakes in a second or two. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 252 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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