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PostPosted: 21:58 - 01 Jun 2020    Post subject: BLM peaceful protests in the UK Reply with quote

Seen on social media, the two major cities I live close to will be doing peaceful protests for black lives matter.
End well this will not. Who in their right mind, who knows anything about recent news in the USA, would think it is a GOOD idea to host any kind of protest right now?
It has nothing to do with this country, all it's going to promote is looting and black vs white violence, especially with all the pent up frustration of lockdown.

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PostPosted: 22:33 - 01 Jun 2020    Post subject: Re: BLM peaceful protests in the UK Reply with quote

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black lives matter

It's racist. It's racist, by definition, to take any notice at all of race, or even to mention it except in way unless necessary, e.g. descriptive, fashion or medical.

After all, there are only two sorts of people on the planet.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 01 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I hope this leads to some rioting
cos I need a new telly and toaster.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I agree it's just stupid.

There definitely are some race (NOT necessarily racism) issues in this country, the abstract kind i.e. "why are a disproportionate amount of non-white communities worse off", but nothing like what we see coming out of America.

It annoys me how American protests make their way over here so fast. What further annoys me is how a lot of these protesters will be the same folk who complain about the Americanisation of British politics.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Re: BLM peaceful protests in the UK Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

It's racist. It's racist, by definition, to take any notice at all of race, or even to mention it except in way unless necessary, e.g. descriptive, fashion or medical.

After all, there are only two sorts of people on the planet.


Blacks and whites? Thinking Twisted Evil Mr. Green

Seriously though I'm not sure I agree with this. You're basically arguing that the best kind of people are so autistic that all they see is faces, and they simply cannot comprehend how or why racial prejudice would occur. That's obviously far too idealistic, and it overlooks the fact that it's possible to be a perfectly moral person and still recognise racism when it occurs.

I'd rather say the 'problem' with racism (or any -ism) is that it creates a guilty conscience for otherwise good people. For example, during the height of the feminism era a couple of years ago I felt pretty well convinced that being male made me instantly more hateable. Similarly I can imagine a lot of situations where currently a white person might feel bad just for being white, i.e. they meet a black person and immediately feel like there's some kind of "racism issue" that they should take care not to ignite.

So instead of saying that anything by definition "is racist", I think what it's really doing is inadvertently causing racism, or racist interpretation, where there wasn't any before.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Re: BLM peaceful protests in the UK Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

It's racist. It's racist, by definition, to take any notice at all of race, or even to mention it except in way unless necessary, e.g. descriptive, fashion or medical.

After all, there are only two sorts of people on the planet.


Blacks and whites? Thinking Twisted Evil Mr. Green

Seriously though I'm not sure I agree with this. You're basically arguing that the best kind of people are so autistic that all they see is faces, and they simply cannot comprehend how or why racial prejudice would occur.

No I am not. You said that, not me.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then I'm the worst kind of person Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rightly or wrongly we have this view of American society as racist.

Rightly or wrongly we have this media fuelled view that cops in the US go out of their way to kill blacks.

Without supporting what the cops did there is this statement in a news article.

He moved to Minneapolis after being released from prison and was known as a "gentle giant" who was trying to turn his life around.

He was in jail for armed robbery. It's amazing how many (dead) criminals are 'lovely people who wouldn't hurt a fly'.

I can't see what else the authorities can do. Cop is going to be prosecuted for murder and will be found guilty whatever simply because they have to throw him to the wolves.

https://news.sky.com/story/who-was-george-floyd-the-gentle-giant-who-loved-his-hugs-11997206
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me wonder, is there an actual real physiological issue with large/overweight black males that makes them particularly prone to airway obstruction when positioned face down with their hands behind their back?

This is not the first case with a strikingly similar narrative of a particularly large black guy being cuffed face down, complaining he "can't breathe" and expiring. Knee on the back of the neck notwithstanding.

Could it be similar to what happens in cot-death? Might even lead to broader insights.

If there is an issue, they need to find out and review what they are doing in terms of restraint techniques.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Makes me wonder, is there an actual real physiological issue with large/overweight black males that makes them particularly prone to airway obstruction when positioned face down with their hands behind their back?


How about with anyone overweight?
Knee pressure on the neck? How about anyone at all? Try it with a friend? Not something I'd recommend.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Makes me wonder, is there an actual real physiological issue with large/overweight black males that makes them particularly prone to airway obstruction when positioned face down with their hands behind their back?


Yes. Muscular men in general have issues breathing when lying down and having their hands behind the back. They are also more prone to suffer from sleep apnea, because their muscular neck pushes onto the wind pipe under certain angles. Joe Rogan discussed this on his podcast.

*fat necks and arms cause the same issues.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if the guy hadn't been black and fat, there would have been no problem with the cop placing his knee on his neck to hold him down?
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
So if the guy hadn't been black and fat, there would have been no problem with the cop placing his knee on his neck to hold him down?


*sigh

Stinkwheel asked a question about physiology, I answered his question.

Where did the police officer put his knee? Where on the neck? The lad was laying on his stomach, so the knee was not on the wind pipe. Could this be an actuall procedure, they are taught in the ''5-0 school''? The unfortunate thing here was, something went wrong. Let's wait for what the prosecutor has to say.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Well I hope this leads to some rioting
cos I need a new telly and toaster.


Same,

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PostPosted: 14:51 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
Well I hope this leads to some rioting
cos I need a new telly and toaster.


Same,

I need a Nespresso and an Interceptor 650.


Bullshite....

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PostPosted: 15:48 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
So if the guy hadn't been black and fat, there would have been no problem with the cop placing his knee on his neck to hold him down?


I'd suggest that all depends on how bouncy he was getting. Watch some of the police camera things on telly. You have a pissed, triggered skinhead determined to have a fight with a copper, it can take some restraining them, even in cuffs and ankle restraints. Not unusual for it to take four coppers to put them in the back of the van.

So yeah, knee on neck, sit on their head, repeatedly kick them in the nuts until they sit still.

Just you should stop when they stop resisting.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 02 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stunkwheel wrote:
Makes me wonder, is there an actual real physiological issue with large/overweight black males that makes them particularly prone to airway obstruction when positioned face down with their hands behind their back?

Interesting. I read somewhere that the knee across the neck was an approved restraint technique. Clearly in this case there was too much pressure and the police didn't ease off when by-standers pointed out the man wasn't responding. I also read a suggestion that drugs may have played a part but that might have been a cheap shot.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 03 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the rabble peaceful protesters will be observing social distancing in order to avoid the coronavirus outbreak, won't they?
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 03 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:
I'm sure the rabble peaceful protesters will be observing social distancing in order to avoid the coronavirus outbreak, won't they?


Especially since BAME are supposed to be more vulnerable. Can't see how these protests help. I'm sure the NHS are very happy about them.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 03 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that it's all sunshine and roses Stateside. This is not us being fed with some weird propaganda.

If you're a black male in the US you've got a 1 in 1000 chance of dying because of police action. If you're white it's some stupidly low chance.

There are some accepting people in the US. There are some racists, but when you reduce the entry requirement for the police, you make it a bit of a boys club... It's not a good sign.

I read an article about the US air force recently, and it said that if you are not a Christian and you are in the US air force, your chances of career advancement are basically zero. This is not legal as far as the constitution goes, but you wouldn't find that over here. Yet, it does happen. It's unfathomable, but it does. Americans are fiercely tribal and do like their own little boys clubs. I'm not saying this is the same issue, but it's indicative of a cultural thing. I also think that the overt patriotism jingoistic thing is a kind of educative tool to brainwash citizens into following certain directions, and it has negative consequences which they don't see as they are deeply inside it all.

It's the same with firearms laws. They can't see that doing a bit of firearm control would massively reduce gun crime, suicide and accidental shooting injuries, but their culture is so different as to accept that as almost normal.

The US may *seem* similar to the UK, Europe, Aus, Canada and so on, but they do have some very deep rooted and very covert cultural differences that do take a bit of looking to see.

I for one have no doubt that there are groups of police over there who do band together, who are racist, who do behave in a way to target certain minorities, just as I'm sure it's the case here. The difference is it seems to be much more prevalent and almost socially acceptable over there.

Again, I could be wrong. I'm a white middle class straight cisgender man so I realise the massive irony of me declaring the UK better than the US in that regard, but nevertheless that's the conclusion I seem to draw.

Not saying we're perfect, far from it, but we don't tend to shoot first and as questions later, and when it does happen it's front page news.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 03 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

All lives matter, regardless of race.

Except BodyTard. His life does not matter.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 03 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
All lives matter, regardless of race.


Yes, but caring about all of them is just so much hard work! Sad
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PostPosted: 02:45 - 04 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I'm not sure that it's all sunshine and roses Stateside. This is not us being fed with some weird propaganda.

If you're a black male in the US you've got a 1 in 1000 chance of dying because of police action. If you're white it's some stupidly low chance.

There are some accepting people in the US. There are some racists, but when you reduce the entry requirement for the police, you make it a bit of a boys club... It's not a good sign.

I read an article about the US air force recently, and it said that if you are not a Christian and you are in the US air force, your chances of career advancement are basically zero. This is not legal as far as the constitution goes, but you wouldn't find that over here. Yet, it does happen. It's unfathomable, but it does. Americans are fiercely tribal and do like their own little boys clubs. I'm not saying this is the same issue, but it's indicative of a cultural thing. I also think that the overt patriotism jingoistic thing is a kind of educative tool to brainwash citizens into following certain directions, and it has negative consequences which they don't see as they are deeply inside it all.

It's the same with firearms laws. They can't see that doing a bit of firearm control would massively reduce gun crime, suicide and accidental shooting injuries, but their culture is so different as to accept that as almost normal.

The US may *seem* similar to the UK, Europe, Aus, Canada and so on, but they do have some very deep rooted and very covert cultural differences that do take a bit of looking to see.

I for one have no doubt that there are groups of police over there who do band together, who are racist, who do behave in a way to target certain minorities, just as I'm sure it's the case here. The difference is it seems to be much more prevalent and almost socially acceptable over there.

Again, I could be wrong. I'm a white middle class straight cisgender man so I realise the massive irony of me declaring the UK better than the US in that regard, but nevertheless that's the conclusion I seem to draw.

Not saying we're perfect, far from it, but we don't tend to shoot first and as questions later, and when it does happen it's front page news.


For a Limey, that's pretty much on point.

It's not so much that police brutality is socially acceptable but rather that many bad apples get away with it because they have very strong unions.
Police chiefs have considerable clout when it comes to the running of their department and yet people take almost zero notice when elections for new chief are held which means that you can end up with some right deranged morons running departments, especially in small town America.

The US may be a melting pot but it's the white man getting the cream on top. In the UK I rarely gave my position of white privilege too much consideration. Out here, on an almost daily basis, I am reminded just how fortunate I am to be white.

And how unfortunate it is that I have rocked up in a country where it's leader has peaceful protesters gassed just so that he can take a stroll for a photo op, the globe's latest banana republic has arrived.
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PostPosted: 05:31 - 04 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
If you're a black male in the US you've got a 1 in 1000 chance of dying because of police action. If you're white it's some stupidly low chance.


Over what time period?
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