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 Posted: 10:57 - 26 Jun 2020  Post subject: UK F35s, carrier borne at last! |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdfSSsdu3wA
Regardless of anyone's views on UK military spending, I've always thought this has to be one of the most rewarding environments to work in - I'm a little bit jealous of the crews!
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| Posted: 13:37 - 26 Jun 2020 Post subject: |
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I suspect the overall capability might have crept forward just a tiny little bit though.
Anyway, that's not my point. I actually had a dream once that I was a member of a deck crew on a busy US carrier on ops. That's one dream that has never faded from my memory. I still have the feelings of what it was like to be part of such a team, and the sense of the noise, the smells, the rush. Some of which I have experienced IRL, but this dream seemed even more real somehow than my memories of actually working with aircraft.
Never mind. Better to use it as an opportunity to have a whinge 
One wonders what you were expecting though - beam me up Scotty? 
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I was expecting we ought to have made sure we had an aeroplane that works as advertised before scrapping the ones they were supposed to be replacing...
Last time I looked, they had a speed limit on the VTOL versions of that plane because... well... they still didn't work properly. They still have a 7G restriction it appears.
It's not a celebration, it's the tail-end of a fucking debacle you'd struggle to make up.
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Please accept my apologies for bringing it up 
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umm not quite as fascinating as a steam catapult launch F18 or my favorite the tomcat. More a wobble off the front of the ship.Just remind me why we need VTOL aircraft at sea ??
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Look, I apologised for posting it, didn't I?! 
You can't beat pairs of F4 Phantoms taking off on reheat for an aviation spectacle! (You had to actually see it in person).
One of the most impressive sights I've seen first hand was when some exercise or other was held when I was at RAF Gutersloh. I can't remember exact numbers now, but we had a lift with about a dozen Pumas and however many Chinooks we managed to cobble together - quite a sight all rising from the airfield together.
The Yanks had so many helicopters (Apaches, Blackhawks, Hueys, Loaches etc) in a line up at one airbase we visited, they didn't even have the pilots to fly them all at once, but rotated them along the line just to keep the airframe hours approximately equal.
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | titchy carriers |
The largest warships ever built in the UK, approx three times the displacement of the old Invincible class carriers.
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Don't know. Do you? Versatility perhaps? Bearing in mind carrier-borne aircraft are supposed to operate anywhere in the world in various roles. It's not necessarily about being carrier-bound. Just guessing though.
But why a large carrier (make up your mind  ) for an aircraft that needs less room, for a nation that can't afford to crowd the deck anyway? Aspiration?
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I dunno. If this evening has shown anything it's that I know F'all. |
Well, you could always pretend you know everything by using Google and not owning up to it (no one does that, do they?!).
Your comment on titchy carriers made me think, that's not right, is it? I've seen pics of them where they look pretty damn big to me. So I did look it up. But often, I'd prefer a conversation without pitting my use of Google against someone else's use of Google. So a couple of facts might get lost along the way. Big deal. We ain't policy-making.
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
You can't beat pairs of F4 Phantoms taking off on reheat for an aviation spectacle! (You had to actually see it in person). |
You can come fairly close to seeing it in person if you go to the carrier experience exhibit at the fleet air arm museum in Dorset.
I think I'd still go for a lightning on a hot scramble for the wheels up and proceed directly to vertical factor, but you'd need a hell of a long carrier. |
Just me living on my memories
Yeah, went to that museum with couple of guys from on here - twas pretty good.
I was in the ATC. Me and a school mate were aircraft nuts, and we went to RAF Coningsby with our squadron for about a week. The best I'd ever seen until then were the flypasts on the Queen's birthday - Phantoms, Buccaneers, Jaguars, Victors, Vulcans - to us then it seemed like huge formations! Our house was directly under their flight path as they came in low for their run over London.
But at Coningsby we got a real treat. Imagine it, school kids, about 14yo! We got to help the techies in a Phantom squadron hangar, crawling over these huge beasts - they really seemed massive to us then (we were only passing them spanners and stuff, maybe got to remove a panel or two). We did an a/c wash on the pan, the techies and us fucking about soaking each other more than the aircraft.
My mate and me spent a couple of evenings standing by the airfield perimeter watching the Phantoms lift in pairs - ground shaking, deafened.
We also got to clamber inside the Lancaster at the BBMF, which was stationed there...think it might still be.
That feeling of being around operational military aircraft never left me - no wonder I joined the RAF. Working on Puma helicopters on the pan at RAF Gutersloh still gave me that same feeling years later, with all the sights, sounds, noise and smell on a busy military airbase - our squadron's Pumas, 3 & 4 sqn Harriers, 18sqn Chinooks, and all the various visiting a/c types taxying past our pan. Motorcycles always had something of that for me too, maybe unsurprisingly. Electric bikes? Pfffft! Noise, man!  Something very visceral about it all.
Been to many airshows since. Another sight that has stuck with me was the lineup of WW2 combat aircraft at a Duxford show - Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mustangs etc - seemed the line went on forever, and must have been about 40 aircraft in the flypast at the end. That's a sight to see!
I don't think much about aircraft these days, but occasionally I'll see a Hawk or Tornado here, heading for the Lake District, and some of it all comes back. Jeez, feel like an old git with the memories!
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Anyway, that was really my point with this thread - good that young guys and gals in the UK today can get the experience of working on a carrier again. It will be a very rewarding experience for the memory banks.
Have you seen/heard/felt a Vulcan do a vertical climb from low level? Rearranges your atoms!
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
Have you seen/heard/felt a Vulcan do a vertical climb from low level? Rearranges your atoms! |
Yes, at Leuchars. However, sorry to say it's got nothing on a Tupelov Backfire! Fucker blew the doors off the hanger while they were doing engine power tests |
What, literally?! I picture hangar doors - huge, heavy things! Well, the ones on our hangars at Gutersloh were the concertina type, could maybe imagine it with those. (Think they used to house Messerschmidt fighters during the war - seem to remember someone telling me that).
But now I'm wondering wtf they were doing, doing engine runs in a hangar?! Russians! Bet they were all on the vodka too
| Quote: | They threw a B1B Lancer about one year too doing stall turns, vertical climbs and fast passes. |
Always thought that was a beautiful aeroplane - sleek, purposeful-looking. The Russians did a fair copy of the idea with the TU160 (Blackjack), but not quite as aesthetically pleasing in my mind.
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
What, literally?! I picture hangar doors - huge, heavy things! Well, the ones on our hangars at Gutersloh were the concertina type, could maybe imagine it with those. (Think they used to house Messerschmidt fighters during the war - seem to remember someone telling me that).
But now I'm wondering wtf they were doing, doing engine runs in a hangar?! Russians! Bet they were all on the vodka too |
No, they were on the apron outside and it was proper hangar with the 3-stage windy-handle doors that you must never open using a landrover. |
It still suggests clouded thinking to me
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