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Posted: 19:24 - 30 Jun 2020 Post subject: Re: eScooters legalised from Saturday |
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Depending on the model they were always legal.
Now what I want to know is, if you stick a couple of jet engines on them, are they mechanically propelled vehicles |
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Road, pavement... who cares?
What will be very interesting is eScooters invading the "private roads" of the lycra clad cycling mob ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Posted: 16:37 - 06 Jul 2020 Post subject: Re: eScooters legalised from Saturday |
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Jmoan wrote: | Depending on the model they were always legal. |
No, they were not and are not, actually.
Trials of these company-owned ones have started in Middlesbrough, Redcar & Cleveland, Stockton, Hartlepool and Darlington, apparently.
Users of these rented ones need at least a provisional car, motorcycle or moped licence, and have to be 16 or over. Only the rented ones will be legal under UK law, and only on the road, not on the footpath, and it seems they will be about 12MPH ones.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/speed-limits-helmets-how-book-18540070 |
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Posted: 22:27 - 06 Jul 2020 Post subject: Re: eScooters legalised from Saturday |
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Riejufixing wrote: | Jmoan wrote: | Depending on the model they were always legal. |
No, they were not and are not, actually. |
Theoretically one could take an eScooter and try and put it through the newly updated MSVA that includes regs for 250W throttle controlled eBikes. It would need to be one with a seat so think more like Honda Zoomer.
And, of course, there's nothing stopping you putting it through as a "moped" class of bike with the associated driving licence requirements. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Easy-X wrote: |
I'd agree but we (as a society) still haven't agreed that cyclists don't need to read the Highway Code. What I mean is: yes of course they should but the reality is the lycra mob don't give a flying and no one's interested in pulling them up over it. The eScooter mob will doubtless be much worse
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Worse from our point of view, but as bikers we are all biased. From our point of view, we have to jump through a lot of hoops and pay a lot of money to get legal on the road. If we then ride in a dangerous manner and ignore the rules of the road, we can expect points or bans, making it even more expensive/difficult to be legal on the road.
So that point of view, this all looks unfair.
However, from the point of view of someone who has no interest in motorcycles, bicycles or e-scooters, it's a very different view. They want to know if this thing is going to inconvenience, hurt or kill them and theirs. In that case, a lightweight e-scooter doing 12mph has about the same likelihood and capacity to cause harm as a bicycle.
You can slide on a corner and throw a 200kg motorcycle towards a bus stop at 60mph during the school run. That's a genuine risk. Our moaning about someone else having easier legislation compliance than us is just pointless moaning. If our objection to e-scooters is purely that it's unfair and thinking up hypothetical what-ifs (like what if the insurance claim process doesn't work) then we're trying to play a zero-sum game.
If the legislation works - reducing the overall risk from e-scooters to the general public, and incentivising their use - then it works. If it doesn't, then it will need changing. |
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Least we forget: an unpowered fixie killed someone and highlighted the inadequacies of the law...
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/sep/18/cyclist-charlie-alliston-jailed-for-18-months-over-death-of-pedestrian
However, looking at the actual government info rather than the journalistic mangling:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/legalising-rental-e-scooter-trials-defining-e-scooters-and-rules-for-their-use/legalising-rental-e-scooter-trials
This makes a lot more sense: to consider legalising eScooters the government wants to go in lightly by trialling commercial ones first, i.e. a more consistent testing framework, and weigh up 12.5 or 15.5 mph, 250W & 350W motors, licence requirements, training etc.
They seem to have applied the eBike regs for the hardware but are treating eScooters as "motorbike lite" in that you need motor insurance (provided by the eScooter rental company) and a licence to ride one. No CBT as yet but they've left the door open on that one.
Actually seems quite a sensible approach for once! I think the only downside is that it gives car and motorbike riders more of an excuse to punch down on cyclists. "Hey look! These guys have to have insurance yet push bikes go faster..." etc. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 313 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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