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Bod
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: ER5 Headlight Reply with quote

Good morning all. I have a 1997/1998 Er-5 and I am looking to import it to Romania. I will need to change the headlight to a right hand drive one. I'm having problems getting one and I wondered if there any other headlights that would fit from a different bike?

Any help appreciated.

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PostPosted: 12:00 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What? I have never heard of a left or right hand specific headlight. Your headlight has horizontal and vertical adjustments. Instructions here: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/375061/Kawasaki-Er-5.html?page=310#manual
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
What? I have never heard of a left or right hand specific headlight. Your headlight has horizontal and vertical adjustments. Instructions here: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/375061/Kawasaki-Er-5.html?page=310#manual


They are all handed. In the UK they dip to the left, on the continent they dip to the right. on the round headlamps of the type the OP had, the dip is built into the lens

OP, you may be able to buy an insert for the existing shell, they are just a round healamp held in with wire clips so in theory any round H4 insert of the correct diameter should fit. I think they might be 7" but check that.

Hella make 7" inserts.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standard headlight is a high quality part on that bike (most of the rest of it isn't that good), so see if you can keep it. Most aftermarket headlights are junk (the good ones are expensive). If the horizontal alignment screw doesn't go far enough, you could try rotating the headlight so that the light kicks off in the correct direction.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Re: ER5 Headlight Reply with quote

bod wrote:
Good morning all. I have a 1997/1998 Er-5 and I am looking to import it to Romania. I will need to change the headlight to a right hand drive one. I'm having problems getting one and I wondered if there any other headlights that would fit from a different bike?

I wondered whether bulbs were available in RH/LH dip types, but it seems not, which is odd. Perhaps standards setters/makers wanted money rather than interchangability.

Perhaps you can go off to eBay, and buy an used or new ER-5 mount or headlamp from an a country where they drive on the right?
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The beam pattern is cast into the glass if the lens. Turning it upside down, altering the bulb angle, keeping it at all costs or anything else you could think of isn't going to make a LH dip headlamp of this type dip to the right with an acceptable beam pattern.

You can tape over part of the lens which will probably get it through an MOT but it does nothing for light output.

The only proper way to make a traditional sealed beam headlamp dip to the opposite side is to fit a different headlamp unit.

So as before, you can buy a good quality H4 sealed beam insert for about £30. Cibie and Hella are good makes. Actually, the lucas ones are surprisingly acceptable too given their reputation.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The only proper way to make a traditional sealed beam headlamp dip to the opposite side is to fit a different headlamp unit.

Which is why I suggested he buy a RHD one.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The headlight has a horizontal beam adjuster, and the bulb is just a standard H4.

If I were in the OP's shoes, I would just try and make it work somehow to pass Romanian inspection, but then I don't ride at night. £30 for a beam insert to make sure the light doesn't scatter in unruly directions sounds good.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="stinkwheel"]
jeffyjeff wrote:
They are all handed. In the UK they dip to the left, on the continent they dip to the right. on the round headlamps of the type the OP had, the dip is built into the lens

Well what do you know! Learned something new today. Thank you.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

See the roughly triangular-shaped section in the lens at the 3 o' clock position on the european insert and the 9 o' clock position on the UK insert? That's the part of the lens that kicks the dip down to the side of the road. If you use a right hand drive one while driving on the left, it'll kick the "dip" right into the eyes of oncoming traffic. Just so people can see the issue we're dealing with.

If you cover that area with black tape (neatly, all the bit in that section) it should be ok. It would pass an MOT like that and you're really supposed to do it if you take your vehicle into a country that drives on the opposite side of the road.

https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/rightdip.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

So if you rotate the UK one 180 degrees (by removing the headlight unit from the mounts and fitting it upside down) you get this:

https://i.ibb.co/ftr5VTc/rotated.png

Which is close, but no cigar, as it now kicks to the right and up.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised so many people never knew this.

According to Wikipaedia:

1962 Manufacture of the MZ ES 125/ES 150 begins. This was the first motorcycle with an asymmetric low beam headlight pattern.

Not sure if that's true or not. Confused
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need part No. 23007-1250 which is £104 and available to order from any Kawasaki dealer and likely any bike shop in the UK. Get them to confirm it is the Euro spec one.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They are all handed. In the UK they dip to the left, on the continent they dip to the right. on the round headlamps of the type the OP had, the dip is built into the lens

I changed the H4 headlamp bulbs on my van this morning. They are held rotated axially from the vertical by the bulb holder to achieve the dip. The actual reflector and lens is not handed. I have no idea whether the bulb holder is removable/transferrable, I did not look to see. It would make sense if it were.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why did my fz750 fail its mot for beam spread when I stuck a eu headlight on it in error? It had a h4 bulb in it.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

I changed the H4 headlamp bulbs on my van this morning. They are held rotated axially from the vertical by the bulb holder to achieve the dip. The actual reflector and lens is not handed. I have no idea whether the bulb holder is removable/transferrable, I did not look to see. It would make sense if it were.


I'd imagine the indexing part of the bulb holder is an integral part of the reflector.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

I changed the H4 headlamp bulbs on my van this morning. They are held rotated axially from the vertical by the bulb holder to achieve the dip. The actual reflector and lens is not handed. I have no idea whether the bulb holder is removable/transferrable, I did not look to see. It would make sense if it were.


I'd imagine the indexing part of the bulb holder is an integral part of the reflector.


H4 bulbs have a dipped filament that's forward of the main beam element and also has a cover blocking the light from it hitting the reflector/lense
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
H4 bulbs have a dipped filament that's forward of the main beam element and also has a cover blocking the light from it hitting the reflector/lense

For some reason it always seems to be the dipped filament that goes. Perhaps it's because the shield causes the dipped beam filament to become hotter than the high beam one.


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PostPosted: 21:09 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
So why did my fz750 fail its mot for beam spread when I stuck a eu headlight on it in error? It had a h4 bulb in it.

Sorry, I cannot say from that description. Perhaps the bulb was rotated "the wrong way" by the holder?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
So why did my fz750 fail its mot for beam spread when I stuck a eu headlight on it in error? It had a h4 bulb in it.

Sorry, I cannot say from that description. Perhaps the bulb was rotated "the wrong way" by the holder?


No, its because it dipped to the wrong side. Too dumb to get the point....
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 06 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
No, its because it dipped to the wrong side. Too dumb to get the point....

Oh dear, you poor thing.
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