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Hetzer Super Spammer
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Posted: 10:08 - 13 Jul 2020 Post subject: How does this ebay/paypal scam work? |
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Bike's on ebay, had this email:
"Okay cool I hope it's in a very good condition? I will like to know if you haven't had an accident with it before and I believe you have PayPal as that's what I will be making payments with because it's the safest way to make online payment if you know what I mean by that! If you are ok with my mode of payment you can send me your PayPal email address, that's all I need to make the payment, I will make the payment ASAP, furthermore I have got a private courier agent that will be coming for pick up once the payment has been made. Stay healthy I await your reply."
I can't work it out but my bell is ringing. ____________________ "There's the horizon! Ride hard, ride fast and cut down all who stand in your way!" |
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Posted: 10:21 - 13 Jul 2020 Post subject: |
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ThunderGuts wrote: | I'd just inform the buyer to pay using PayPal via eBay when the auction ends / the buyer buys it now. It'll come through. The rest of it is pretty arbitrary really as it's up to them how they want to collect it; man with a van probably. If it's PayPal via eBay then you've got some degree of protection already, you can validate you've received the money before accepting collection of the bike.
I wouldn't accept payment outside of eBay though as you're evading their system by avoiding final value fees, eBay can get pretty shirty about that sort of thing, plus you'll be losing some protection in the process. Part of what you pay your 10% for . . .
I don't think there's any suspicious about the email, just clumsy communication. |
ebay now charge an insertion fee of £14.99 AND want a 1% final valuation fee (min of £25, max of £45). Lol, they can go whistle fucking dixie for that, they get £14.99 for tens days, that's your lot, you parasite scum. ____________________ "There's the horizon! Ride hard, ride fast and cut down all who stand in your way!" |
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Also what they do is send a legit payment, take the goods, then put in a claim with PayPal to say they’ve not received anything. 9/10 times PayPal will just take the money back and refund them.
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https://www.comparitech.com/identity-theft-protection/ebay-scams/
Unwarranted chargeback
A scammer doesn’t have to try very hard to steal your money, as most transaction sites are built to protect the buyer. If you successfully complete a transaction and the buyer pays with a credit card or PayPal, they can easily contact the provider and cancel the transaction. The money will be recovered from you and you will be charged an additional chargeback fee (that’s $20 for PayPal, individual credit card companies vary). The scammer only needs to say they suspect something was wrong and most institutions will chargeback straightaway, regardless of whether they already have the item or what condition it’s in. Disputing the chargeback can take a lot of time and hassle on your behalf. ____________________ DILLIGAF
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I only ever use eBay through the App these days. Its much more secure from a payment point of view.
It'll be the app that notifies you of a correct payment (with evidence for your protection if there's an issue), not some random looking email. The guy doesn't need your pay pal address. If its his first rodeo, I really don't think a motorcycle should be the transaction to break his eBay cherry.
I also don't need to tell you that you can make payment "ASAP" anyway, there is no need to debate the tits off it after the purchase...
As with you, I don't like this one bit.
It pretty much comes down to the risk of how much your prepared to lose. If its an expensive item, I'd want protection, but as the buyer, I'd be more likely to turn up in person to ensure it is what you've described it is. If he doesn't feel the need, he clearly has more money than sense.
I've only ever bought 1 bike I've never seen in the flesh, and that simply came down to the fact it was worth more in parts than I was paying for the whole bike, so I had very limited downside. |
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Ste Not Work Safe
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Posted: 11:55 - 13 Jul 2020 Post subject: |
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Ste wrote: | The payment would be made using a stolen Paypal account, it would go through successfully with no problems and you would withdraw it to your bank account.
Their private agent courier person would come to collect the bike and everything would be great.
At some point the owner of the Paypal account would notice that they're missing however many thousands of pounds from their bank account and then of course the payment gets reversed very quickly.
The email will be from a stolen eBay account so you'd have zero chance of knowing who to blame, zero chance of ever seeing the bike again and zero chance of not being left out of pocket. Whatever way of looking at it or trying to play it to your advantage, there is no way to win.
I'm disappointed that you don't know all this stuff.
GSTEEL32 wrote: | I only ever use eBay through the App these days. Its much more secure from a payment point of view.
It'll be the app that notifies you of a correct payment (with evidence for your protection if there's an issue) |
The app is just as secure as the website so it makes no difference which one you use. |
I do know this stuff but the chance of a scammer having recently acquired a paypal account with £8k on tap is remote, hence my question wondering about other methods.
It screamed scam from the rooftops anyway and, suprise, no response after I said cash or transfer only. ____________________ "There's the horizon! Ride hard, ride fast and cut down all who stand in your way!" |
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Posted: 11:58 - 13 Jul 2020 Post subject: |
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Unreal, just had another email from a totally different 'person' using almost exactly the same words. This one got a mouthful. ____________________ "There's the horizon! Ride hard, ride fast and cut down all who stand in your way!" |
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Posted: 12:06 - 13 Jul 2020 Post subject: |
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Meh, they're easy to get if you look in the right places.
Before anyone reading this goes and gets themselves some stolen paypal accounts, it's not 100% straight forward so don't go and do anything stupid like trying to buy Hetzer's bike. |
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Posted: 18:11 - 13 Jul 2020 Post subject: |
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If you try Gumtree this sort of email appears for everything you list Usually something along the lines of "if I pay you £100 more via PayPal can you pay the courier?" Well of course! That doesn't sound at all suspicious.
Same again though: cash, bank transfer or GTFO. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 287 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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