'No DSS' letting bans 'ruled unlawful' by court

[Polarbear]

Interesting.

I note the lady who took them to court (with the financial backing of shelter) was a nice upstanding citizen, not a scrote who is likely to sell everything out of the house.

Personally I wouldn't want DSS as a general rule if I was a landlord as I'm one of those people who think, rightly or wrongly, if you don't have to work for it, you don't appreciate it. Getting a house/flat and having your rent and everything else paid doesn't encourage responsible tenancys.

Obviously that's very much generalising and you should take each case as it comes but.....

I'd be interested in Grr's input.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53391516
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[kgm]

Whilst most 'DSS' tenants I'm sure will be decent enough folk, I've seen quite a number of them who've wrecked properties (mainly council rather than private let's tbf) or lead a lifestyle that's a massive headache for their landlord. It's a potential headache I wouldn't want.

[Poseidon]

If you want someone to buy your house for you (buy to let) then you've got to take the rough with the smooth. If you don't want tenants on DSS then don't let your house out.
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[Ste]

[piazza]

It's not always about the people on DSS, it's the hoops you gotta jump through to appease their terms of let- been on both sides at one time or another.

Is this England only?

[Poseidon]

[GSTEEL32]

[Ste]

You mean landlord insurance that's more expensive if you have DSS tenants?

If landlords don't want kids or pets in their property then that's their choice to make. They'll be limiting the number of possible tenants and that's their lookout, just the same as if they do allow tenants with pets or kids then unfortunately their property will suffer more wear and tear than it would without kids or pets living there.

Maybe they don't want the hassle of needing to ask for larger deposits and maybe they don't want the hassle of having to sort out all the kid and or pet related wear and tear.

Improving the DSS system would means more landlord would be happy to rent to DSS tenants, telling landlords that they have to accept DSS tenants doesn't fix any of the problems.

If someone is renting a house then it's their home for as long as they're paying rent on time etc etc etc but the property is 100% the landlords and it's up to them to say who lives in their property, whether or not the place can be redecorated, whether or not smoking is allowed or anything else really.

Do you think landlords make their rules up just for fun or if they decide what they do and don't want happening in their property and set the rent price accordingly?

Would you be happy to rent a property of yours to anyone and openly allow them to do whatever they want regardless of what the cost to you would be?

Is there anything stopping landlords wanting a character reference from the tenants employer?

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[Polarbear]

Changing the system from paying the landlords direct to giving the money to the clamant and expecting him to pay the landlord has to be the most idiotic idea going.

Yes, most will but a large minority, finding am extra £1000 or so in their monthly payment are going to spend it on anything but rent, especially considering how long it takes to get them evicted if they play the system.

Also, if they don't pay and are on benefits, the landlord will lose any rent owed. They can't claim back what isn't there.

Nah, wouldn't want to take the risk unless it was totally guaranteed, including repairs, by the council.
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[Poseidon]

[Ste]

Okay, so does that mean you would be happy to rent a property of yours to anyone and openly allow them to do whatever they want regardless of what the cost to you would be?

[Poseidon]

[martin734]

My partner and I are property landlords with 8 properties that we rent out. 2 of our properties have DSS tenants in them and I can honestly say that we have have never had any problems with them. Whilst we do give our long term tenants a fair degree of freedom regarding decorating etc, we do ask that if they return the property to the same decor that it was when they rented the property as well as repairing any damage. Where possible we allow our tenants to keep pets but this isn't always possible due to some of our properties being apartments that are under restrictive covenants.
Being a private landlord is not really any different from any other business. We provide something that there is a demand for. The rents we charge are not arbitrary, but are determined by the market rates in that area. One reason that private landlords are necessary is simply because there is not sufficient social housing and local governments are often not able to afford to build and provide more because they can't afford to. Local councils do not make money from social housing, it actually costs them. So while government housing to all who can't afford it is a socialist ideal, in the real world it simply isn't possible without either cutting other services or charging huge taxes to pay for it.
Another reason for the rise in private renting is the mortgage companies. While mortgages may be at relatively cheap interest rates now, the deposits required are getting higher and there are many people who don't qualify for social housing but also can't afford the deposit to buy a house.
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[Polarbear]

9 properties, 9 cars, nine Rolexs... What's the difference. If you have the money in a capitalist society you can buy what you want.

The bad thing in my view was council tenants and the right to buy their hugely discounted homes and the loss of social housing that way.

Saying that, the house we live in now is an ex council house so I'm being hypocritical. Except when it comes down to the bottom line, I'm as guilty as anyone of putting my family's needs before all else.

I'm alright Jack is both selfish and sensible.
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[GSTEEL32]

If it wasn't for private landlords offering houses across all sectors and postcodes. you would end up with 100 %council run area's which would turn into a ghetto as soon as you build them ....

What about people with an income, who really don't want a house yet, but don't fancy living between a mum with 9 feral kids and a family of dossers with absolutely no intention to get themselves out of the hole they've created for themselves ?

Socialism only works when everyone is equally as bone idle as everyone else......

[piazza]

The popular held opinion about unemployed people is getting as boring as MPD and his anti black agenda

[Poseidon]

[martin734]

[Poseidon]

Maybe I'm just a dreamer
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[martin734]

[stinkwheel]

The simple way to protect yourself if you are concerned about children/pets/idiots wrecking your property is to demand a sufficiently large deposit to cover it.

The way to ensure you can legitimately keep that deposit in the case of damage is to fully document the condition of the property before they move in by making a detailed time and date stamped video of the whole place and providing the tennants with a copy as an integral part of their signed lease agreement.

You also brook absolutely no argument about them getting in through the door until the lease is signed and deposit received.
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At the risk of sounding mpd, are they going to do something about house adverts that are advertised in Polish/insert language here? Surely that's as discriminatory as no DSS.
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