Batteries (or other things) and guarantees.

[Riejufixing]

Moved from "The Workshop". About cheap batteries with longer guarantees and expensive things with short ones.:

[wr6133]

My experience of cheap batteries is quite a while ago but was mostly negative. I used to go through quite a few of the cheapest lead acid jobs available. Worst for killing them off was the cold weather, back then my bikes were kept outside and even with daily usage I'd expect at least one battery to die (at random) each Winter.

Now I suspect the reason Tayna will give them such a long warranty is 2 fold (purely conjecture).

First not many people bother to claim, it's hassle, takes time and the battery was cheap. I never made a warranty claim on a dead cheap battery, I needed the bike running so bought new ones on next day delivery and just chucked the old ones. False economy I know but at the time I was skint and the cost of a posh battery was too much.

Second the margins on these things is probably big, You can see on domestic Taobao how cheap a battery is in China. Buying them by the container with some branding applied is probably measured in peanuts. So if my first part is correct, then the low number of actual returns (that they actually honour) are probably not even a drop in the money they are making.

Nowdays with the exception of 1 Dynavolt all I use are Motobatt. I started doing this before the bikes got an indoor home and I never had a dead battery over winter. One thing is certain though at the price I pay for a motobatt, if it fails within warranty I definitely will be making a warranty claim.

So maybe the shorter warranty is because of the % fails the premium batteries get a higher % of actual returns, probably from people harder to fob off?

[Polarbear]

I would have thought it would be incredibly easy for a battery manufacturer to get out of paying a warranty. Too many user induced failures to mention compared with manufacturing failure.

I wouldn't mind betting the expensive batery manufacturers, Yuasa, motobat, trojan etc. honour warranty's just to keep their customer base happy. Cheapys aren't bothered if you are happy or not.
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[wr6133]

[Riejufixing]

[xX-Alex-Xx]

I'd get a Yuasa battery because I know they last. I don't need a longer warranty to back it up. Most people won't bother claiming on a warranty after a few years anyway, so it doesn't matter if they have a longer warranty.

It's ok to say for 6 months they'll bear the cost of returns etc. That's actually EU law - if the product develops a fault in the first 6 months, it's assumed to have had it from new, so it's their obligation to take it back with no cost to the owner.
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[colink98]

Back in the day when i was racing karts.
they were based on a loss system meaning there was no charging of the battery during a race.

the number of people who's karts would fail during the race or refused to start properly at the start of the race was far too many.

Our spanners and team manager would insist that we all ran Yuasa batteries.

They were proven time and time again to be the best units.

(i posted this in the original thread but posted here as well)
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[Riejufixing]

Well I had not intended it to be a "my battery's better than yourn' use this brand" thread, more about guarantees and possibilities. Ho hum.

[Robby]

You asked how people decide which battery to buy. They told you.

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

The way I view a long warranty is they don't QC the product and they know 1 in 13 (say) will fail but hey, if you're unlucky 13 we'll give you a new one for free. Sod off, I'm stranded at the side of the road. I'd rather pay extra for something which does what it says on the tin. Fit and forget.

[Riejufixing]

[Riejufixing]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Presumably because, as xX-Alex-Xx says, it's the legal minimum, but they're not relying on it and would rather sell a premium product than have to take back, test and replace a cheaper, low quality one.

[Robby]

[MCN]

Legally, your 'contract' is with the seller.
If something fails then your first port of call 'legally' is with the seller.
This involves the seller accepting the claim or they can 'handle it' on the buyer's behalf and submit the claims to the O.E.M. for solution.
The seller can inspect and advise is the fault meets the OEM return criteria too.

Depends on the product, the seller and oem. (And thenphaphery involved.)
Some sellers can absorb costs themselves for the sake of their rep and or a product loyalty deal with the OEM.
Confusing arises due to the above plethora of paths to happiness.

But Sale of Goods Act would be real guide.
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Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.

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[ThatDippyTwat]

Yuasa at the higher end, Powerline at the lower end.
Motobatt has iffy QC. If you get a good one, great, but that is most certainly not a likely outcome.
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[MCN]