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Oil on tyres....
Fuck no!!! Get it off ASAP!!!
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 03 Aug 2020    Post subject: Chain lube or oil on tyres, good idea? Reply with quote

Since someone thinks it has no ill effects, what's your lots view?
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 03 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do know that oil coming out of the rubber is actually what gives you grip but I'm pretty sure it's not the same as your typical motor oil.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 03 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I do know that oil coming out of the rubber is actually what gives you grip but I'm pretty sure it's not the same as your typical motor oil.


Yup that's the design, I'm on about extra added lube.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 03 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding/staying upright and oil on tyres = not plausible Shocked
Filling the tyres with water instead of air is another good idea.

I find that covering myself in cooking oil helps moving around on the saddle without any ill effects Thumbs Up
Loosening the spokes is a good idea also
Welding the sprockets on thier shaft rather than bolting them on is the way forward as well.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 03 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had contaminated tyres in the past which I've attempted to clean with brake cleaner. If it's light misting and isn't left on the tyre then it can be cleaned off.

If it's proper deep contamination the tyre is never the same. Anyone who claims otherwise is in cuckoo land.
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I got a bit on by mistake I’d mop it off sharpish but wouldn’t worry too much - however I seem to manage to apply it to the chain and only the chain quite successfully to be honest!
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not get oil on the tyre when oiling. It flings onto the tyre whilst riding. It gets about 2" onto the tyre.

You will say I put too much, but for what disadvantage? Used engine oil is free and I have no problems with grip. My chickens are nornally nothing to boast about but they are usually smaller on the left side. There is one disadvantage. Oily dirt is Sticky. Stickier than shit and it builds up eveywhere it lands. Cleaning the wheel/swingarm is a pain.

What do I gain by using "too much"? The chain stays cleaner. Dirt is flung off with the oil. I never clean the chain, chain lasts for ever.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
I do not get oil on the tyre when oiling. It flings onto the tyre whilst riding. It gets about 2" onto the tyre.

You will say I put too much, but for what disadvantage? Used engine oil is free and I have no problems with grip. My chickens are nornally nothing to boast about but they are usually smaller on the left side. There is one disadvantage. Oily dirt is Sticky. Stickier than shit and it builds up eveywhere it lands. Cleaning the wheel/swingarm is a pain.

What do I gain by using "too much"? The chain stays cleaner. Dirt is flung off with the oil. I never clean the chain, chain lasts for ever.


Chain lasts "for ever" eh?

Link me to one of these please, I need one. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The advice you give scares me in that someone might actually listen to you. Whenever you get pulled on something you deny it even though you wrote it and don't have the intelligence or even the care to edit what you initially said.

For example...

kramdra wrote:
I do not get oil on the tyre when oiling. It flings onto the tyre whilst riding. It gets about 2" onto the tyre.


But what you wrote was this...

kramdra wrote:
If you have a decent rear tyre, road5 or similar, a bit of oil is no problem. I park up, fully saturate the chain with used engine oil, much of it drips off into a container, some goes on the floor and no shits are given if I park in a puddle of it or on the saturated cardboard I put down to catch it. Grip is not reduced, by the time Im on to the road it has worn off.


which pretty much suggests you do get oil on the tyre while oiling the chain even if its the parking afterwards.

No the first time you've changed a story when pulled up on it. You are dangerous.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I have not changed my story. Ive said I dont deliberately squirt oil at the tyre. Parking is not when oiling.

Most oil that gets on my tyre is from chain fling, but yes I might occasionally park in some. I leave the containers - large takeaway trays and a sheet of cardboard, and occasionally spill a bit when I reverse bike into garage.

Either way, I am happy with it. I know how much grip I have and it is not dangerous.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil on the road combined with water is worse than oil sprayed on a tyre, oil on a tyre doesn't lie there waiting to suddenly surprise you, in a big gloopy patch, it tends to be spread quite thin so there's not lots of layers of molecular chains to slide past each other. I'm talking chain fling amounts.

The other day about 250ml mysteriously shot out of the dipstick onto the tyre, and all over my leg, left peg and gearchange. Nothing to do with me being a dipstick and forgetting to screw it back in honestly.

I was more bothered about loss of grip on the pegs than the tyre. But saying that I rode cautiously and washed it off as soon as possible.

Basically given any kind of choice, then it's a no from me.
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually wipe engine oil over my whole front and rear tyre before a ride. It helps a lot to go faster.

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To actually be serious, I've accidentally got a tiny bit of chain lube on my rear tyre before. I've just dabbed it off with a microfibre and then used a bit of brake cleaner. I've then leaned all the way over to the edge and it hasn't once thrown me off.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Brake cleaner should not be used on tyres, it does disolve rubber and is unessasary. The best way to remove is with a cloth or something absorbant. Or go for a ride.


Umm... I hate to say this but brake cleaner is so volatile (using the correct scientific definition of the word) that it wouldn't ever have a chance to 'dissolve' rubber.

You have a huge case of Dunning Krueger, and you need to step away from the keyboard and from motorcycles if I'm honest.

Have you ever been tested or evaluated for manic depression, out of interest? You seem to behave like someone in a mania quite a bit...
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest theres a high proportion of people on here that seem to have some sort of condition that affects their behaviour adversely.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
To be honest theres a high proportion of people on here that seem to have some sort of condition that affects their behaviour adversely.


I don't think there is a high proportion of people, I think that a high proportion of posts are from such people... Tef, Bodytard and a few others.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only ever used brake cleaner on the tiny spot that I got the chain oil on without rubbing and spreading it everywhere. I figured if it doesn't make brakes slippery then it won't make my rear tyre slippery.

The rubber has been fine since. I've leaned to the edge on the road and on track and nothing has ever happened.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
I only ever used brake cleaner on the tiny spot that I got the chain oil on without rubbing and spreading it everywhere. I figured if it doesn't make brakes slippery then it won't make my rear tyre slippery.

The rubber has been fine since. I've leaned to the edge on the road and on track and nothing has ever happened.


Brake cleaner is the perfect solvent for cleaning tyres as it evaporates after a few seconds.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it will flash off quickly but it is still not a good idea. It would take large/repeated amounts to do noticable damage to a new tyre, much less on an old worn out tyre.

7 out of 22 for "Meh a little will not matter", not quite what you were hoping for Fisty?


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PostPosted: 13:14 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Yes it will flash off quickly but it is still not a good idea. It would take large/repeated amounts to do noticable damage.

7 out of 22 for "Meh a little will not matter", not quite what you were hoping for Fisty?


But you end up with your tyres liberally sprayed with oil from your previous posting on the subject.

Thats not 'a little'
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Yes it will flash off quickly but it is still not a good idea. It would take large/repeated amounts to do noticable damage to a new tyre, much less on an old worn out tyre.

7 out of 22 for "Meh a little will not matter", not quite what you were hoping for Fisty?



I don't think you're getting this, so I'll put it in big for you..

NEITHER IS ALLOWING OIL, GREASE OR LUBE ONTO THE TYRE!!

Brake cleaner is BY FAR the lesser of two evils. Oil does not evaporate at room temperature, and it has properties that mean it *might* bind to the rubber or at least cling. I'm not an expert on this interaction, but I have heard that tyres, brake pads etc can be contaminated by absorbing oil.

It takes time maybe, but the brake cleaner will be gone to atmosphere before it gets a chance to be absorbed.

You're evaluation of risk is so arse about face that I don't think it's even worth trying to argue.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not enough to care about. It wears off pretty quick, so yes I consider it "a little".
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
It is not enough to care about. It wears off pretty quick, so yes I consider it "a little".


Yeah, and I only drink lager in moderation...
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Yes it will flash off quickly but it is still not a good idea. It would take large/repeated amounts to do noticable damage to a new tyre, much less on an old worn out tyre.

7 out of 22 for "Meh a little will not matter", not quite what you were hoping for Fisty?


I myself voted for a little won’t matter. And to be honest. I expected that to be the majority. So in the sense that the first option is in the lead yes it’s not what I expected.

Could you explain why a tyre made of the same material through its construction would suffer more damage from brake cleaner if it was worn 2mm compared to a new one?
Please show working out and references not just opinion.



A 2” stripe (possibly a third of your tyre) is not a little.

Whenever I lube the chain if there is any on the tyre (rare as I know how to lube a chain properly) it gets wiped off with a touch of cleaner.

You are verging on delusional.The advice you give is verging on dangerous.
I feel sorry for anyone that follows it and ends up getting hurt.

EDIT:-
Are you also aware that tyres have pores? Pores which oil can absorb into especially when the tyre is warm.
This is then released again when the tyre is next heated up if it is not cleaned off?

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PostPosted: 13:47 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will see then. As I have been oiling my chain in this way since 2012, it must be about time some oil thows me down the road Laughing

Marjay, the childish use of caps does not change the fact you are wrong. Strong solvents, used repeatedley can damage the structure of a tyre, can cause invisible damage and could fail. Oil may reduce grip, but not with the amounts possible from chain fling.
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