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xX-Alex-Xx
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
50 quid even if the chain runs up the middle of the cylinders?

It's an engine out and stripped to pieces job on fz series bikes.


It's for my specific bike, with which they're familiar (they've done others). They rebuild race-bike engines so they're going to be better than the run of the mill dealer mechs (I reckon).

The chain on mine is on the side of the block.


I'm always iffy on the "we've built race bikes" thing. Usually means they can build stuff to go fast, but not necessarily to go far.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
50 quid even if the chain runs up the middle of the cylinders?

It's an engine out and stripped to pieces job on fz series bikes.


Does the chain come closed out of the box? Otherwise I'd have expected you to be able to attach the new chain to the split end of the old chain and feed it through
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:


I'm always iffy on the "we've built race bikes" thing. Usually means they can build stuff to go fast, but not necessarily to go far.



I wouldn't only go by whether or not someone has built race bikes. I'd go more by their knowledge, their care about the customer, their enthusiasm for bikes. But if they've got a good record of their race builds going the distance, it's an added feather in the cap. A road bike normally gets nowhere near the constant abuse a race bike does. But you've got to take each mechanic on his merits, whatever the experience.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:


I'm always iffy on the "we've built race bikes" thing. Usually means they can build stuff to go fast, but not necessarily to go far.


If they've prepared bikes for racing then they can do valve clearances. If they are *tuning* bikes then you're right to be worried, but if they are just doing normal servicing on a road bike having worked on race bikes I'd be pretty confident.

And then you have perparing bikes for the TT which requires an extraordinary attention to detail that your average road mechanic just doesn't have.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Have you checked they have the required specialist BMW cam tools?
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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K&S in Haywards Heath

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09057908

"K&S MOTORCYCLES LTD
Dissolved on 24 May 2016"

That's a bit odd because https://kandsmotorcycles.co.uk/ still works and they're still trading.

Ah well, who knows. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
K&S in Haywards Heath

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09057908

"K&S MOTORCYCLES LTD
Dissolved on 24 May 2016"

That's a bit odd because https://kandsmotorcycles.co.uk/ still works and they're still trading.

Ah well, who knows. Laughing


The website mentions K&S motorcycles and performance , but does not mention 'Ltd' so it looks like it's not a limited company any longer. Not neccesarily a big issue, for tax it was better to become a ltd company at one time to reduce tax ( so the Govt could say " half a million new companies in the last year", yes but not new businesses) which looked good for the Govt. Now for some people , good old self employed works better again, which might explain it.
Only one person ' Ken' is mentioned.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
£150 is pretty damn cheap to be honest.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 13 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tdibs wrote:
£150 is pretty damn cheap to be honest.


It's a lot cheaper than the circa £700 the BMW dealer cnts charge. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 14 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
K&S in Haywards Heath

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09057908

"K&S MOTORCYCLES LTD
Dissolved on 24 May 2016"

That's a bit odd because https://kandsmotorcycles.co.uk/ still works and they're still trading.

Ah well, who knows. Laughing


Gone sole trader I'd guess. Voluntary strike off so it's not because they didn't file accounts or whatever. Looks like it was set up to move towards Ltd co and then just decided against it and struck it off.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 14 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
There used to be a K&S on the south coast,then reappeared in Sittingbourne.This was where a friend took his 5PW R1 to have the severely out of spec shims adjusted by a bloke nicknamed 'EGG' who is good at his job.He charged Guy £350 for doing the shims and changing the clutch plates,so charges at a very reasonable rate.

One place to avoid,from what I have heard,is Coopers BMW at Tunbridge Wells.Not experienced them myself but I have heard some feedback that is not good.

I met a friend there a while ago and while I was chatting to Steve outside I was looking at a 1050ST which was for sale as a trade-in.The salesman appeared and asked if I was interested as Steve and i had given it some attention.We were told that the top bod in the workshop had given it a top service and that it had passed A1.With this I said I would not now be interested and I was asked why,to which I pointed out the down to the metal rear disc pads.I said that if that was the best that the top technician could do,it gave me no confidence in the not-so experienced technicians Rolling Eyes Thumbs Down
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S1000R valves for £150? I wouldn't go anywhere near that.
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S1000R valves for £150? I wouldn't go anywhere near that.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 14 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
S1000R valves for £150? I wouldn't go anywhere near that.


Maybe it's because they've done so many (the RR is a popular race bike and is essentially the same engine) they have it down to a fine art and don't need so much time. Or the lockdown has left them twiddling their thumbs.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 14 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Or the lockdown has left them twiddling their thumbs.


Unlikely to be that. Most bike shops seem stacked out at the moment and with people furloughed the bike faceache forums have been booming with people heading out more often than usual.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 15 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Pete. wrote:
S1000R valves for £150? I wouldn't go anywhere near that.


Maybe it's because they've done so many (the RR is a popular race bike and is essentially the same engine) they have it down to a fine art and don't need so much time. Or the lockdown has left them twiddling their thumbs.


I'd buy that if their price was 'competitive'. What you got is just cheap - for a high-risk job on a high-value bike. What hourly rate do they work at for doing that job that cheap after covering their overheads? Can't be much and it can't be enough to allow for random slips like the odd scratched fairing or rounded-off fastener that has to be paid for.

All I'm saying is, cheap isn't always good value. If the job could be done effectively that cheap then the competition wouldn't be charging so much.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 16 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:


All I'm saying is, cheap isn't always good value. If the job could be done effectively that cheap then the competition wouldn't be charging so much.


Their labour rate is £45 an hour.
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We've had one thread recently that shows what can happen when you don't do clearances and ignore top end noise, I'm looking forward to yours.


You ignore the fact this was caused by the main dealer doing a shit job, after depriving me of the bike for 4 months and £900, returning it in a state that gave zero trust in them. None of the clearances were outside of the spec having, not been checked in 90k. Replacement guides cost me all of 12 pound, significantly cheaper than if had I let them take a second look at it.
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kramdra wrote:
sickpup wrote:
We've had one thread recently that shows what can happen when you don't do clearances and ignore top end noise, I'm looking forward to yours.


You ignore the fact this was caused by the main dealer doing a shit job, after depriving me of the bike for 4 months and £900, returning it in a state that gave zero trust in them. None of the clearances were outside of the spec having, not been checked in 90k. Replacement guides cost me all of 12 pound, significantly cheaper than if had I let them take a second look at it.


I think most of us old-timers ( Cool ) have learned to take a lot of what Sickpup says with a broad pinch of salt, he's had 'bitterness' issues for as long as he's been here. It's the comments like "I'm looking forward to [insert mishap here] yours" that illustrate his mindset best. He's not a happy bunny, never mind objective.
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Pass the popcorn

We'll see how this one plays out. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 16 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
I think most of us old-timers ( Cool ) have learned to take a lot of what Sickpup says with a broad pinch of salt, he's had 'bitterness' issues for as long as he's been here. It's the comments like "I'm looking forward to [insert mishap here] yours" that illustrate his mindset best. He's not a happy bunny, never mind objective.


That's rather the pot calling the kettle black really isn't it old timer.
I wouldn't take any pleasure in your bike going bang, I would take amusement from watching you rant and rave about what scvm BMW are for selling a bike where you couldn't ignore the service schedule.

Just so you are in no doubt the amusement would be derived from you buying an expensive bike, probably fitting an expensive race/loud exhaust as you have done on every previous bike you've mentioned on here and then not doing the basics of servicing which would likely be cheaper than the aforementioned exhaust.

This attitude stops you from being an oldtimer, it pretty much makes you an entitled millennial much like Kramda who has tried to justify not checking the valves or sorting an odd top end noise by saying the engine didn't go bang for 90k until it went bang.

It would be nice to be proved wrong.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 16 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
I think most of us old-timers ( Cool ) have learned to take a lot of what Sickpup says with a broad pinch of salt, he's had 'bitterness' issues for as long as he's been here. It's the comments like "I'm looking forward to [insert mishap here] yours" that illustrate his mindset best. He's not a happy bunny, never mind objective.


That's rather the pot calling the kettle black really isn't it old timer.
I wouldn't take any pleasure in your bike going bang, I would take amusement from watching you rant and rave about what scvm BMW are for selling a bike where you couldn't ignore the service schedule.

Just so you are in no doubt the amusement would be derived from you buying an expensive bike, probably fitting an expensive race/loud exhaust as you have done on every previous bike you've mentioned on here and then not doing the basics of servicing which would likely be cheaper than the aforementioned exhaust.

This attitude stops you from being an oldtimer, it pretty much makes you an entitled millennial much like Kramda who has tried to justify not checking the valves or sorting an odd top end noise by saying the engine didn't go bang for 90k until it went bang.

It would be nice to be proved wrong.


Wow, so many carez! Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 17 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
I think most of us old-timers ( Cool ) have learned to take a lot of what Sickpup says with a broad pinch of salt, he's had 'bitterness' issues for as long as he's been here. It's the comments like "I'm looking forward to [insert mishap here] yours" that illustrate his mindset best. He's not a happy bunny, never mind objective.


That's rather the pot calling the kettle black really isn't it old timer.
I wouldn't take any pleasure in your bike going bang, I would take amusement from watching you rant and rave about what scvm BMW are for selling a bike where you couldn't ignore the service schedule.

Just so you are in no doubt the amusement would be derived from you buying an expensive bike, probably fitting an expensive race/loud exhaust as you have done on every previous bike you've mentioned on here and then not doing the basics of servicing which would likely be cheaper than the aforementioned exhaust.

This attitude stops you from being an oldtimer, it pretty much makes you an entitled millennial much like Kramda who has tried to justify not checking the valves or sorting an odd top end noise by saying the engine didn't go bang for 90k until it went bang.

It would be nice to be proved wrong.


The long bloke has got a loud racey exhaust. It sounds bloody lovely.
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Too long, not read the whole thread. Heres my experience as a car technician, "M" cars run solid lifters just like bikes

Sometimes valve clearences will actually tighten up... presumably as the valve wears into the seat maybe?
If it becomes too tight, it wont shut. If it doesnt shut it will burn out. Simple.
Never seen noisy tappets cause a failure and i have seen some fucking old rattlers haha. If a tappet cracks its because its a pos anyway.


Edit: never seen one burn out tbf, seen em get tighter though as i say.
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