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Amusing but ultimately pointless. Surely there's so much more to a bike than just the engine? Tyres, suspension, peg position, seat height, etc.
What next? Teslas that make "vroom vroom" noises?! ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Easy-X wrote: | Surely there's so much more to a bike than just the engine? Tyres, suspension, peg position, seat height, etc. |
Ultimately (imo) no. You don't see many reviews waxing lyrical about the genre defining peg position and the exquisitely engineered seat height. Well maybe some cruiser reviews but they mostly have shit engines in them, to match the shit chassis and shit suspension so I guess peg position and seat height are all that's left
I like petrol engine characteristics. When a big GSXR tears through the top end of the RPM's, dancing around the gearbox on a little 400 or 600 IL4 to keep up with bigger bikes, using the torque of a big single or twin to shoot yourself out of corners..... those type of engine dependent things are a big part of what I love about bikes. You have a little 2smoke, you can't be telling me that the silly revvy motor isn't the headline attraction?
Electric ones seem a bit sterile or watered down in comparison, I don't doubt they can be mind bendingly fast but once you numb to the actual speed (and you will), what's left? |
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Bhud wrote: | "Oh, today I want to pretend I'm riding a 2-stroke MotoGP bike - hold on, let me choose the soundtrack from my drop-down list."
So lame, words can't even describe it. |
Much more than a soundtrack though
Quote: | To do this the software manages the electric motor to copy the performance, gear ratios, powerband, sound and even vibrations of a conventional bike. But it’s more than just talk - to prove it works they’ve built a concept bike called the Emula.
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In one of its emulation modes, the sensors on the clutch and gearbox go live, so to ride it properly you need to pull the clutch and tap the lever to change gears. Don’t do it and the motor will hit an electronic rev limiter, holding you at your current speed – when you have to do this though, is up to you. |
If I'm going to have to go electric eventually I want this option. |
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spottedtango wrote: | I think its a bit of novelty. It will wear off pretty fast.
The weird thing is it will mimic the vibration of what ever engine you choose. |
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It's not about 'converting' us oldsters. We had our fun, and we won't be around forever.
But soundtracks and simulations? No, not for me. Just knowing it's not the real thing would detract from the experience. Just let the age of the ICE pass. New generations won't know or care what they missed. In fact, you could say the same about motorcycles in general. Ban them outright, and in a couple of generations, no one will know or care what the fuss was about.
Except that, if you were born after the age of steam, does anything stir in you when you see, hear, feel something like The Flying Scotsman in motion? There's something there, isn't there? You get a sense that you missed out on something. But no one wants to simulate them in a modern, clean electric train.
I'm the same with a big Yank V8 muscle car - far from the best handling things around, but just something about all that mass and power in glorious, fire-breathing, deafening motion. No subtlety whatsoever, in your face. But give me the real thing, for god's sake don't simulate it.
It's just how us blokes used to be. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Bhud wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | It's not about 'converting' us oldsters. We had our fun, and we won't be around forever.
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Quote: | Just let the age of the ICE pass. |
You're forgetting that every kid in the 80s had a picture of Lambo Countach and/or Ferrari Testarossa on the wall, or kept magazines and catalogs with bikes like the FZR1000 and VMAX in it. If they're still alive, they're grown-ups now, and not yet oldies. |
I'm not getting your point. Are you saying those people would be happy with a simulation rather than the real thing? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Just imagine though in 20 years time say, when ICE bikes may be banned, and the only option is electric
Just imagine how bland each manufactures range will be, as they will all essentially have the "same" engine characteristics (flat, linear, no noise power)
At least this sort of technology will allow you to pick & choose (even if hard coded by the manufacturer) what sort of power delivery you want, and i'd be pretty damn sure you could turn off the simulated sound if you wanted
The beauty about bikes compared to cars, is the character of their engines, wheter you want a screaming inline 4, or buckets of low down torque from a big single, everyone has their favourite, and this will allow that to continue (in one shape or another)
Cars on the other hand, are generally just a mode of transport, driven in the most part by uninterested folk, they just want the easist way of getting from A to B, so flat linear power appeals to these folk, not so much to the bikers, who generally own a bike as a "fun" mode of transport ____________________ Current Bike: Honda CG125 ES4 // Honda CB600FS Hornet // Triumph Street Triple R
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This sort of thing just reminds me, strangely, of tobacco flavoured e-cigs.
I think the idea is to ease the transition to e-cigs (and e-motorbikes) by making them familiar. But it's misguided, definitely in the case of e-cigs (which manage to taste nothing like cigarettes and still taste like shit), and probably in this case, partially because they never get it quite right, and partially because you KNOW it's fake.
And in both cases, they should be embracing the positives, not trying to be something they're not. E-cigs can have a vast variety of flavours not available to "real" cigarettes. E-motorbikes can have staggering torque from 0 rpm. There's no fluids (oil, coolant, fuel) to deal with, no cooling system, no filters, no valve clearances, and no vibrations. The Zero SR/S doesn't even have a gearbox. How quiet they are could easily be seen as a positive as well as a negative.
Obviously I'm skipping the downsides (range, cost etc.). And biking is a hugely emotional subject, so some people will never like them. But I think the people making electric motorbikes would be better off ploughing their energy into working on improving, and highlighting, the good things about electric bikes, rather than trying to make them into something they're not, purely to accommodate people who will never truly be satisfied by the "fake" version. ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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I'm interested in this when the petrol option is no longer an option but if the market poo-poo's it now, it'll get shit canned and then we'll be able to choose from 50 bikes with the same characterless motor. |
You needn't be concerned about what I think really. I get it for when ICEs are gone - at least, for the power characteristics bit I do. But it won't affect me
Actually, how about turbo characteristics? Mine was very distinctive in that regard. Felt like an exponential curve, albeit with an upper limit. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 20:21 - 14 Aug 2020 Post subject: Re: 2Electron Mcfly... The motorcycle engine emulator |
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Presumably when steam railway engines were invented, someone tried to make the guard make frequent loud farting noises and heave great lumps of dung out of the back of his van, and the fireman burn hay and oats, and gave the driver a whip? |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 219 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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