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PostPosted: 18:41 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Cooker Reply with quote

So the cooker is broke beyond repair. Has been for sometime, wife is sick of cooking in a small halogen oven contraption. I've decided to get a new cooker. Got my eye on one but it 'suggests' it's going via a spur and not a 13amp plug. Max power rating for the oven is 2.1kw. Since some normal heaters are 2.2kw plug in electric with a 3 pin plug type; surely I can just wire a plug and run it off that?

The socket behind the cooker is a twin socket where as most spurs I can see are single so I can't bodge it.

Am I going to be OK sticking a plug on the end of the wire?

It's a Stoves single oven.
https://www.stoves.co.uk/products/cooking/built-in-ovens/st-seb602f/
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Re: Cooker Reply with quote

King29 wrote:
Am I going to be OK sticking a plug on the end of the wire?

You're right that the current rating is within specs for a 3-pin plug, but the roolz are clear that if the manufacturer says an oven needs to be hard-wired, then that's what you have to do. It's not simply a case of them not having bothered to fit a 13A plug. You'd be much better off looking for an oven which does come with a 13A plug - why wouldn't you? There are loads of them available
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Re: Cooker Reply with quote

King29 wrote:
So the cooker is broke beyond repair. Has been for sometime, wife is sick of cooking in a small halogen oven contraption. I've decided to get a new cooker. Got my eye on one but it 'suggests' it's going via a spur and not a 13amp plug. Max power rating for the oven is 2.1kw. Since some normal heaters are 2.2kw plug in electric with a 3 pin plug type; surely I can just wire a plug and run it off that?

The socket behind the cooker is a twin socket where as most spurs I can see are single so I can't bodge it.

Am I going to be OK sticking a plug on the end of the wire?

It's a Stoves single oven.
https://www.stoves.co.uk/products/cooking/built-in-ovens/st-seb602f/


Cookers and ovens are usually on a separate 30 amp supply. why isnt yours?
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of the double-socket is your existing connection a single, direct connection to your consumer unit or part of the ring of the rest of the kitchen?
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hashtag popcorn.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that for each socket outlet ( single or double ) on a ring circuit it is acceptable to have one spurred out let. As the anticpated load is less than would be taken for a socket it would be acceptable to have a fixed outlet for the oven wired from the double socket as a spur. But I'm only an amateur spark.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is where the old cooker plugged in and this is what our fuse box looks like.

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Cookers and ovens are usually on a separate 30 amp supply. why isnt yours?


We bought the house off of a Mr Mohammed. Very good mate (as in he's not a mate of any description but that's how they speak).

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Re: Cooker Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Cookers and ovens are usually on a separate 30 amp supply. why isnt yours?


Because its a single oven , only drawing about 2.2KW rather than a cooker with 4 rings and grill and an oven drawing about 2.2kw for each separate load. So 2.2kw x6 which would need a seperate 30A rated dedicated 6mm cabled outlet from the fuse box, like you say .

Having only one ring for sockets rather than an upstairs and a downstairs isn't that great though.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to clarify, the oven retails at £279 BUT there is an outlet selling factory seconds, dented case for £100. Bargain.

So can I bang a plug on it yes/no.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Do it properly.

Run a 6mm2 feed directly from an 32A MCB fitted to the RCD side of the distribution unit to a cooker switch and from that to a cooker outlet. Then use a length of 6mm2 to wire the cooker from that.

Position the switch so that you can isolate the cooker easily if a problem occurs (i.e. very accessible and NOT directly above the hob)

Test insulation resistance, continuity and R1+R2.

If that doesn't make sense then get an electrician in. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for Singhpal...
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Time for Singhpal...


Nope, he's in India, will return to these shores when everything corona has settled down a bit.

Islander wrote:
No. Do it properly.

Run a 6mm2 feed directly from an 32A MCB fitted to the RCD side of the distribution unit to a cooker switch and from that to a cooker outlet. Then use a length of 6mm2 to wire the cooker from that.

Position the switch so that you can isolate the cooker easily if a problem occurs (i.e. very accessible and NOT directly above the hob)

Test insulation resistance, continuity and R1+R2.

If that doesn't make sense then get an electrician in. Laughing



What if I remove the faceplate on the outlet. Fit this instead. Would that work?

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PostPosted: 21:49 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then the next know-nothing will think it's a 30 amp supply.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

King29 wrote:
What if I remove the faceplate on the outlet. Fit this instead. Would that work?

No.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so shall I just buy the bastard and fit a plug and see what happens?

Or fit the spur.

Or tell the wife to use the halogen and be mindful of her place?

I can actually buy a plug fitted cooker from Argos for £130 but it's a BUSH brand and iirc BUSH are wank.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
King29 wrote:
What if I remove the faceplate on the outlet. Fit this instead. Would that work?

No.


Stuff it, BUSH brand cooker it is. 12 months warranty and all that.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who did the survey when you bought the place? I'd sue if I were you.

The only time I've ever had a place that didnt have a dedicated 30 amp supply for the cooker was a studio flat and that includes stuff built in the 40s 70s 80s 90s and 00s.

Plus the 300 year old farmhouse.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of the seller. It used to be a factory workshop, hence the quarry tiles and plug sockets in the ceiling.

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PostPosted: 22:23 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

King29 wrote:
And to clarify, the oven retails at £279 BUT there is an outlet selling factory seconds, dented case for £100. Bargain.

So can I bang a plug on it yes/no.


No. Steve the grease had detailed why.It HAS to go on a 30A fused spur.

Unless it's a gas cooker of course...
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No electric.

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PostPosted: 23:05 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus wept. Just do a proper fucking job.

There's nothing worse than someone who cuts corners, my house is full of bodge jobs from the previous owners and I'm working my way through them if I can, if not then a pro is called in.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not a 'cooker'. It's just a combined oven and grille. No cooking rings/hob or anything to put a pan on.

You realise that?
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes there is a gas hob on top. That’s what the gas pipe at the back is for, there are 4 gas rings on top.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not cooker related, because I let pros do my electrics, but I have seen cleaner crack dens in Medway...
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 18 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Not cooker related, because I let pros do my electrics, but I have seen cleaner crack dens in Medway...


To be fair the house is clean. The shite was there as I just took the oven out. I don’t know anyone that removes a fitted oven to clean behind it.
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