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JackButler
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Remembrance Sunday. Reply with quote

I've bought & worn a poppy every year since I was 12 (with my own money) & one of my fondest memories is being that years chosen grandchild to wear Grandads medals on my Sunday best & hold his hand while they laid the wreaths.

I've always made it a point of principle that I only ever buy my poppy from an ex-soldier, that rare weekend I willingly agree to go on the shopping expedition, shortly before the 11th day of the 11th month.

You cannot make this shit up, but in '85 I was working as a contractor in the Foreign Office building on King Charles Street W1. A young lad very much under the wing of my supervisor 'Fran', the biggest & hairiest biker type that I have ever known. In the run up to 11/11 me & Fran watched the rehearsals & preperations for the weekends main event at the Cenotaph from our window overlooking all the action.

Fran shared with me something that has never left me. As a young boy Fran used to catch the school bus from a point just outside the village church where the war memorial was placed. He told me how he & his bestest school mate once used a felt tip pen to 'alter' the names carved into the granite column & how at the time that was the funniest thing in the whole wide world.

He told me how about 10am he was dragged out of lessons at school to report to the headmaster. Just about everyone in his village had seen him defacing that monument & just about all of 'em had grassed him up.

He said he was sat outside the headmasters office with his bestest mate thinking "this is fun" when his dad & his uncle walked in. Fran told me that his dad had never raised a hand to him, never beat him & had only ever used logic to discipline him. "But by God you knew when he was angry".

Fran told me his father walked out of the headmasters office right past him, never gave him a second glance. It was left to his uncle to tell him to jump in the back of the Landy.

Fran had to stand in front of that monument while his dad & uncle scrubbed off his grafitti, he begged them to let him help put it right but they wouldn't listen.

He told me how his father finally acknowledged him by holding his shoulders & telling him to stand here & not to come home untill he can recite every name on that monument.

Fran then recited to me every one of the names on his village memorial.

That my friends is remembrance.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not many (if any) poppy sellers this year.

I was just in Argos and they had a collection box so got a poppy.

Its only one i give money to.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could always just give to the Royal British Legion appeal directly rather than virtue signalling with a poppy.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You could always just give to the Royal British Legion appeal directly rather than virtue signalling with a poppy.


I won't bite.

But i will say this.

I have to watch every worthless cause have a day, a week or a month devoted to it.

I have to watch grown men in dresses looking like Freddy Starr walking down the street and NOT tell them they look ridiculous because that would hurt their feelings.

I have to watch rainbow coloured flags flying everywhere as councils and companies fall over themselves to be seen to be woke.

The above is virtue signalling.

Wearing a poppy is remembering.

I will wear my Poppy and i will wear it proudly.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigTim wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You could always just give to the Royal British Legion appeal directly rather than virtue signalling with a poppy.


I won't bite.

But i will say this.

I have to watch every worthless cause have a day, a week or a month devoted to it.

I have to watch grown men in dresses looking like Freddy Starr walking down the street and NOT tell them they look ridiculous because that would hurt their feelings.

I have to watch rainbow coloured flags flying everywhere as councils and companies fall over themselves to be seen to be woke.

The above is virtue signalling.

Wearing a poppy is remembering.

I will wear my Poppy and i will wear it proudly.


The best thing about your post is that no matter what others think, you are doing what you believe in. I applaud you for it, and hope the day never comes when you are told you aren't allowed to wear a poppy if you choose to.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:
You cannot make this shit up,

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PostPosted: 18:59 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:05 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigTim wrote:
Wearing a poppy is remembering.

My mate (proud ex-forces) refuses point-blank to wear one, because he says that as far as he's concerned every day is or should be poppy day.

So there's a different viewpoint.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
BigTim wrote:
Wearing a poppy is remembering.

My mate (proud ex-forces) refuses point-blank to wear one, because he says that as far as he's concerned every day is or should be poppy day.

So there's a different viewpoint.


And he is absolutely correct.

My remembering isn't restricted to 11 November.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
BigTim wrote:

I won't bite.

But i will say this.

I have to watch every worthless cause have a day, a week or a month devoted to it.

I have to watch grown men in dresses looking like Freddy Starr walking down the street and NOT tell them they look ridiculous because that would hurt their feelings.

I have to watch rainbow coloured flags flying everywhere as councils and companies fall over themselves to be seen to be woke.

The above is virtue signalling.

Wearing a poppy is remembering.

I will wear my Poppy and i will wear it proudly.


The best thing about your post is that no matter what others think, you are doing what you believe in. I applaud you for it, and hope the day never comes when you are told you aren't allowed to wear a poppy if you choose to.


My view is that if remembrance Sunday and poppys are forgotten, the wars and the people who fought them will be consigned to the history books and become just another page to be read and to be twisted to whatever viewpoint wants to twist it.

There soon won't be anyone alive that was actually around during WW2 and I can foresee the 'Lest We Forget' becoming less and less relevant or even of interest to the future generations.

Sad in my view but then I grew up with people who had been in both world wars. My grandkids weren't around for the Falklands or even the Gulf wars so why would they have any empathy with what happened 100 years ago.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It actually started after the ww1 and it commemorates the armistice that started 9n the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

The number of people alive that can remember it happening can be counted on one hand and I doubt any took part..
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
It actually started after the ww1 and it commemorates the armistice that started 9n the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

The number of people alive that can remember it happening can be counted on one hand and I doubt any took part..


None alive that served which is hardly surprising.

The last living veteran of World War I was Florence Green, a British citizen who served in the Allied armed forces, and who died 4 February 2012, aged 110. The last combat veteran was Claude Choules who served in the British Royal Navy (and later the Royal Australian Navy) and died 5 May 2011, aged 110.


My point is that even though it now celebrates all who gave their lives for their country it is going to become redundant to the future generations.

We will never have a world conflict again (unless it's the one to end the world). We will never have a war where civilians are conscripted and we will probably never have a war that lasts more than a few weeks.

To the people of the next generations the first, and even the second world war will be as meaningful to them as the English civil war is to me, just a page in a history book.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
It actually started after the ww1 and it commemorates the armistice that started 9n the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

The number of people alive that can remember it happening can be counted on one hand and I doubt any took part..


So if you don't like it, why can't you just ignore it? What harm is it doing to you?
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say I dislike remembrance of those that fought and died to maintain our safety and freedom. It would be a bit stupid of me to do so bearing in mind the industry I work in. I just disagree with the need for charities in the first place. Taxation should pay for those who are in need but then I'm I good socialist.

I always attend the remembrance parade at work (they are currently still having one, probably live streamed.)

I would point out that the most recent war with appreciable casualties on or side was the Afghan one.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear a poppy but I have mixed feelings as Nobby makes a pretty good point, we shouldn't need the British Legion. We do but we shouldn't.

I usually attend a memorial on the 11th but never wear my Medals the hollow, robotic, "thank you for your service" crap from random people annoys me.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I just disagree with the need for charities in the first place. Taxation should pay for those who are in need


But what if some people feel they want to give a bit extra to a particular cause for personal reasons? Shouldn't they be allowed to?

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but then I'm I good socialist.


Well, you know what they say. The only good socialist... Laughing

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I always attend the remembrance parade at work


No need to signal your virtue Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
I wear a poppy but I have mixed feelings as Nobby makes a pretty good point, we shouldn't need the British Legion. We do but we shouldn't.

I usually attend a memorial on the 11th but never wear my Medals the hollow, robotic, "thank you for your service" crap from random people annoys me.


This. We treat our forces shabbily when they need us the most. The state wants to run armed forces it should damned well look after them when they need it.

Having said that, remembrance itself is important.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, you know what they say. The only good socialist... Laughing



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PostPosted: 22:00 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This. We treat our forces shabbily when they need us the most. The state wants to run armed forces it should damned well look after them when they need it.


Yes, give me more money. I need it!
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Islander wrote:


This. We treat our forces shabbily when they need us the most. The state wants to run armed forces it should damned well look after them when they need it.


Yes, give me more money. I need it!


Not quite what I meant but...
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
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Yes, give me more money. I need it!


Not quite what I meant but...


Yes?! But...?! Bounce!

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Islander wrote:


Not quite what I meant but...


Yes?! But...?! Bounce!

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


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but then I'm I good socialist.


Well, you know what they say. The only good socialist... Laughing



My T shirt said 'the only good nazi......'
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can have an extra halfpenny allowance a week Razz


Yeah, that's bloody socialism for you Mad
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 03 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


My T shirt said 'the only good nazi......'


You're doing more virtue signalling here than all the poppy wearers on the planet Laughing
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