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TravisBickle
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Strange... Reply with quote

I decided to update the look of my Fazer by replacing the stock incandescent filament bulb indicators with the stock LED ones from the MT-10.

Got the indicators delivered from Fowlers and the wiring looked strange at the outset. Not just two wires coming from the unit and terminating in a plug, there's a bit that spurs off on the live wire with two inline 2.2 ohm resistors making the delivered voltage 6 volts.

Tried powering it with and without the resistors. Without doesn't seem to be any brighter but has a very deep rich orange colour whereas running on 6 volts is more yellow in colour.

Anyone else come across this before? I know LEDs don't natively run at 12 (or 14.4) volts so there's gonna be a votage drop somewhere, just seems strange to me to have it inline in the wiring loom rather than being built into the units themselves...?

Also worth noting I ran the flashers for a few minutes with the resistors being bypassed and have used one of them bypassed to get to work and back (so running at 14.4 volts) which is 30 minutes each way and that unit hasn't burned out yet...
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

An LED is, first and foremost, a diode. A forward biased diode acts as a dead short, and a reverse biased diode acts as an open circuit. Perhaps the circuit wires are small enough to create sufficient resistance in your circuit, or maybe the flasher unit does. Bottom line, there must be something in your circuit to limit current through those diodes. If not, the diode will fail in dramatic (explosive) fashion. I know this from experience.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

True I just wondered if maybe the wiring on the MT-10 differs from FZ1 which would cause it to need a voltage drop, and whether I should be bypassing the resistors on my FZ1 or not because of the wiring being different...
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Re: Strange... Reply with quote

Tuberculosis wrote:
Tried powering it with and without the resistors. Without doesn't seem to be any brighter but has a very deep rich orange colour whereas running on 6 volts is more yellow in colour.

Is the color of the light output really that important? - rich orange vs yellow? You say the intensity is the same, right? I would err on the side of caution and wire in the resistors.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parallel resistors are there to provide the correct resistance so an analog relay flashes at the correct rate because a diode on it's own has in essence infinate resistance and so if you have an analog relay they'll flash too fast.

For some indecipherable reason harley indicators have flasher units in each indicator unit.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 23 Aug 2020    Post subject: Re: Strange... Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
Is the color of the light output really that important? - rich orange vs yellow? You say the intensity is the same, right? I would err on the side of caution and wire in the resistors.


Nope, not important, if anything I prefer the yellow to the deep orange. I was just curious as I've never seen this kind of setup on indicator wiring before and wondered if some light could be shed on it Rolling Eyes I've done what you suggested and left the inline resistors in their place and wired them in that way, on all bar one. The first one I put in I actually butchered the wiring letting myself into the insides of the wiring loom to see what was in there. So yeah I'll be ordering a 4.4 ohm resister (or more likely two 2.2 ohm as I don't think 4.4 ohm resistors are easy to get hold of) and wiring that in at a later date... that's if the diodes don't burn out in the meantime in which case I'll have to order a whole new unit (just shy of £50!).



Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Parallel resistors are there to provide the correct resistance so an analog relay flashes at the correct rate because a diode on it's own has in essence infinate resistance and so if you have an analog relay they'll flash too fast.

For some indecipherable reason harley indicators have flasher units in each indicator unit.


Yep I understand this and did wonder at first if that's what they were there for but these aren't wired in parallel, they're in series on the live side, so rather than adding extra current draw they're reducing the voltage being delivered to the LED's.

Besides, you would have thought if the MT-10 is fitted with LED indicators as standard that they would come equipped with an appropriate flasher relay, rather than simply adding parallel resistors to each indicator wiring loom.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 24 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
For some indecipherable reason harley indicators have flasher units in each indicator unit.


Harleys have separate push-buttons for the indicators rather than the tradition toggle switch.
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