Labour mps blocking bill helping our soldiers

[bhinso]

This has pissed me off today (amongst other things).

So there's an armed forces bill that is intended to protect British Soldiers, and 18 Labour MP's have tried to block it.

Time to name and shame.

Guess who? "The rebel group led by former party leader Jeremy Corbyn as well as John McDonnell, Diane Abbott and Rebecca Long-Bailey"


Their claim is that would effectively decriminalise torture. So basically they say all those nice things about our troops when the camera is pointing at them, but in private they're against them.

As soon as Corbyn was mentioned, it smacks of IRA appeasement. Trying to have British vets prosecuted for the troubles when the IRA have immunity, letters of comfort, and did 90% of the killings.


https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/18-labour-mps-vote-against-bill-designed-to-stop-british-soldiers-being-prosecuted

[Easy-X]

You'd think if the ex-great leader had such "grave concerns" he'd seek some advice from a legal professional?
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[bhinso]

All I can say is thank God we had the sense not to vote him in as leader of this country. It would probably be Sir Gerry by now.

[Polarbear]

It should absolutly be that if you deploy soldiers to a war zone, you have a war zone. End of. All targets are tatgets.

If you can forgive Irish cvunts who blew up civiians (yes, you Jeremy), then don't ever whine about your own troops killing whoever.
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[Polarbear]

My stepfather ws a Royal engineer Major in Ireland during the troubles.

He always said, if the poiticians had shut up and left it to the military they would have ended the toubles in a few weeks.
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[MCN]

It is a thick fog, that of wars.

It is nice to be a soldier and be protected from criminal charges for stuff you are involved in when on duty abroad etc. but there are also nasty people in armies and nasty things that cause, encourage and or allow troops to do nasty things.

If you are a soldier you cannot be involved in torture and other 'nothing to do with the war' stuff.

It is never a clear cut case but certain mitigating factors must be considered.

Exonerating Terrorists who took aim at innocent civilians is not the sort of a thing I would pardon though.
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[Polarbear]

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https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54286798?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16010170579100&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s


Sod Corbyn and his crew of shitweasels

[bhinso]

[bhinso]

"In addition to the 18 Labour MPs, the bill was also opposed by the SNP and Liberal Democrats."

Shock.

Edit: Actually I am shocked at that.

It was to be expected that Corbyn would oppose it, and the likes of Abbot probably need direction from Corbyn when they need to wee. I'm glad that the rest of Sir Starmer's Labour had the sense to back this bill.

But that last bit, stuffed in at the bottom, worries me. The Lib Dems once had the potential to radically change politics but they have completely lost the plot.

And the SNP? Well there's a significant number of them, and it's shameful and disgusting. Presumbly they want military disarmament and rely on all our friendly neighbours to protect us. Serve them right if Iran or someone invaded Scotland. I bet they'd come wailing for help then.

[Polarbear]

[bhinso]

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[bhinso]

[Nobby the Bastard]

THere are three principles in play.

1) 'I'm only following orders' is no defence. I refer you to the Nuremberg trials. I wont bother saying any more than this.

2) for some years now the western world has held itself to a high standard where civilians are concerned (quite rightly)

3) the geneva convention sets out what can and cant be done with captured soldiers.

All our forces have it drilled into them what they can do (rules of engagement) and when they overstep the mark by torturing and killing people outside of these rules they should be punished. This proposed law tries to limit their liability.

Personally I disagree with it. A lot of my military colleagues will probably disagree.
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[Easy-X]

The pendulum swings one way: high standards, not torturing civilians, etc. and then a load of ambulance chasers see a buck to be made.

Solution? Swing the pendulum back [in time] doesn't sound right Seems like the legislature fixing a problem in the judiciary?

The actual problem is too many lawyers with too little to do.
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[Ribenapigeon]

The bill is another way the Tories deflect Labour off course. I'm a lefty and I'm well aware of the concerns that the bill could help Britain wriggle out of taking responsibility if our armed forces engage in war crimes but it also protects individual service personnel from vexatious claims of abuse. As a country we should have high standards in how we conduct military actions but the bill needs to be reviewed, which is what Parliament is about so I don't see the point in folks going snowflake over its being challenged, that's just democracy.

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[bhinso]

I started watching that last night until I had to give up due to the IPlayer being a load of bollocks and refusing to stream (OK probably my 'Superfast' Broadband)

But what I saw was certainly good. Looks like there was dangerous characters on both sides. Interesting how it all started as a 'Socialist' movement and 'Civil rights' march, with the IRA hiding snugly inside. Reminds me of certain current events starting with Peaceful marches.