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t121anf
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 26 Sep 2020    Post subject: CCTV cabling, solid cat 6 Reply with quote

I’m having some work done in the house and would like to put in a cable for a future CCTV system whilst I have access.

I plan to put in cat 6 solid cable, will I be able to put an rj45 on to the connector to go straight into the camera? The other end will probably end up in a patch panel but may be an rj45.

I can’t put a network port in, to use a stranded patch cable, as its going to be in accessible from within the house at the camera end. The other end will be accessible.

I’ll be using POE if there is anything I need to consider.

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PostPosted: 21:16 - 26 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of cameras, IP or analogue?
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t121anf
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 26 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

IP, quite like the look of those Reolink cameras/systems.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most IP cameras will take a direct rj45 into them.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct, which is why I asked can you put an rj45 onto solid cable.

Normally solid cable goes from a port to a patch panel, stranded is used for patch leads (port to device)

I won’t have a port and therefore won’t have a patch cable, meaning I need to put the rj45 on to solid cable.

I’d normally run these sort of things past our network team at work but they dismissed them and outsourced the work, rarely ever see anyone doing network stuff now (normally done out of hours).
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

You dont even need all 8 strands unless you are powering it, but yeah you can just wire it straight in, you could be a right mug and solder each strand to the pins you wanted, cable is cable.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a difference between cable labelled POE vs cable not labeled POE

Both solid, only difference I can see if the "POE" cable is solid copper whereas the other is copper coated aluminium.

At this point I feel I've answered my question, so I pay the extra for solid copper cable?
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always get copper for data cables. I didn't even know Al/Cu cables were made Shocked

PoE is, by design, intended to run on standard >= CAT3 cables (>= CAT5 obviously better) so there's no such thing as "PoE cable."

As for solid vs. stranded I'll let you into a little secret: unless you have an application where the cable is moved a lot it doesn't matter. So the following:

Rack panel > cable infrastructure > wall plate > stranded cable > camera

is overkill and you can get by with:

Rack panel > cable infrastructure > RJ45 plug > camera

Shhh! Don't tell anyone Shifty
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the pass through rj connectors, makes it easy and you can crimp solid cores.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:30 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
Is there a difference between cable labelled POE vs cable not labeled POE

Both solid, only difference I can see if the "POE" cable is solid copper whereas the other is copper coated aluminium.

At this point I feel I've answered my question, so I pay the extra for solid copper cable?


Always copper, but yeah any old cat5e/6 be fine. I'm doing my house with cat5e because cat6 costs more and I won't see any benefits.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
t121anf wrote:
Is there a difference between cable labelled POE vs cable not labeled POE

Both solid, only difference I can see if the "POE" cable is solid copper whereas the other is copper coated aluminium.

At this point I feel I've answered my question, so I pay the extra for solid copper cable?


Always copper, but yeah any old cat5e/6 be fine. I'm doing my house with cat5e because cat6 costs more and I won't see any benefits.


Using external rated cable can have benefits though as it has a x shaped plastic reinforcement down the middle separating the pairs, so makes it easier to feed through gaps etc, but is more difficult to get around tight corners. Depends on your run....
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the copper coated cable
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/networking/cables-patch-and-reels/network-cables-reels/4172-cat6-cca-c6-utp-ethernet-network-solid-cable-reel-box-wire-305m-004172-5015972084304.html

And the poe cable, full copper
https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/networking/cables-patch-and-reels/network-cables-reels/10341-cat6-full-copper-networking-poe-rj45-bare-end-gigabit-cable-green-305m-010341-5015972201985.html
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 27 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Paddy. wrote:


Always copper, but yeah any old cat5e/6 be fine. I'm doing my house with cat5e because cat6 costs more and I won't see any benefits.


Using external rated cable can have benefits though as it has a x shaped plastic reinforcement down the middle separating the pairs, so makes it easier to feed through gaps etc, but is more difficult to get around tight corners. Depends on your run....


Get a set of cables rods. Makes routing cables much easier.


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PostPosted: 09:07 - 28 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:

Using external rated cable can have benefits though as it has a x shaped plastic reinforcement down the middle separating the pairs, so makes it easier to feed through gaps etc, but is more difficult to get around tight corners. Depends on your run....


Oh for sure, but anyone who doesn't run cables with either a routing tool or even string needs to re-evaluate their life. I o ly use external stuff if it's really going to sit outside, most of mine is either channeled through the garden and shielded tubes or run directly up the building and in a pipe.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 28 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've seen it: standard/internal CAT5e cable goes all brittle exposed to continual cycles of sun/rain/frost. FYI the centre crosspiece thing is a feature of CAT6 whether it be internal or external.
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