A place to practive for a struggling 18 yr old

[TheGazWaz]

Good afternoon all,

The title says it all really but basically my son wants a bike and as a biker myself I'm good with that.

He had a "taster day" with a local riding school as he's never even sat on a motorbike let alone rode one so we coughed up £100 for him to have this day to see if he likes it and how he gets on. He struggled a bit but by the end of it he began to get it and was comfortably doing his figure of 8. The taster day only lasted for 3 hours which I though was a bit rough for £100 but there you go.

Following Monday we got him booked for his CBT £160. Needless to say the instructor deemed him not safe enough to go out on the road which is fair enough and I have no beef with the driving school as they are there to promote safety above all else.

I think some folk just need a bit more time on the bike for things to click and my son is one of them people.

He still wants to do it but I'm reluctant to him or my wallet through another traumatic experience so I was thinking about buying him his 125 then finding somewhere for him to practice under my supervision.

Although I'm not an instuctor I feel experienced enough to get him round the cones.

Question is, where can he practice. We have a long driveway so he can do his clutch control there. I'd be insured on the bike so I can take it anywhere.

Would a supermarket car park be OK after close time or BnQ?

Any ideas guys and galls?

Cheers

Gaz
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Went like this.. 43 years old(2013) decided to do CBT to get a 125 for new job. Bought 2011 YBR, loved it for three months then hated it because it was too god damn slow. Did DAS 4 months later then bought RF600 Loved it, sold it bought Bandit 1200(K3). EFFIN lOVED IT. Wanted something a bit more sporty so got Triumph Sprint ST 955i (53). Not sporty enough so now on my GSXR 1000 K3 and absolutely love it. 1 year down the line, nearly died way too many times on this bike. Sold it. Had a 6 month break. Missed biking so now, Aug 2019 have a 1999 ZX9r. What a beauty she is too.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Car parks are deemed to be considered the same as highways under the law so no. yopu need a correct license and insurance to drive or ride in them.
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[TheGazWaz]

Yeh I did wonder about that. We've always gone by the book so I'm not about to start breaking laws no at my age.
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Went like this.. 43 years old(2013) decided to do CBT to get a 125 for new job. Bought 2011 YBR, loved it for three months then hated it because it was too god damn slow. Did DAS 4 months later then bought RF600 Loved it, sold it bought Bandit 1200(K3). EFFIN lOVED IT. Wanted something a bit more sporty so got Triumph Sprint ST 955i (53). Not sporty enough so now on my GSXR 1000 K3 and absolutely love it. 1 year down the line, nearly died way too many times on this bike. Sold it. Had a 6 month break. Missed biking so now, Aug 2019 have a 1999 ZX9r. What a beauty she is too.

[Ayrton]

When I was 17 I really struggle with my CBT too and went 3 or 4 times before being given the cert. I had my own bike though and took it up to an industrial estate (in a car) for some practice and I found it really helped me feel more comfortable and less nervous on a bike.

It's not legal though so it's up to you if you want to go down that route. I'd say give the CBT another go first and let the experienced instructors fix the problems. What I did in the end was have the school just do a day with me and my brother (who was also struggling) so we could get trained without having to think about slowing everyone else down and such.

[TheGazWaz]

That's good info Ayrton thanks.

The school he's at is really busy and they always have 3 or 4 riders doing the same training.

On his CBT there was a guy who'd been riding for years on a CBT so was there to re-new it and 2 other guys on scooters so My son was the only one on a geared bike with little to. no experience. Not really fair but life isn't fair is it.
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Went like this.. 43 years old(2013) decided to do CBT to get a 125 for new job. Bought 2011 YBR, loved it for three months then hated it because it was too god damn slow. Did DAS 4 months later then bought RF600 Loved it, sold it bought Bandit 1200(K3). EFFIN lOVED IT. Wanted something a bit more sporty so got Triumph Sprint ST 955i (53). Not sporty enough so now on my GSXR 1000 K3 and absolutely love it. 1 year down the line, nearly died way too many times on this bike. Sold it. Had a 6 month break. Missed biking so now, Aug 2019 have a 1999 ZX9r. What a beauty she is too.

[Ste]

[TheGazWaz]

That's interesting. Mabe they have road instructers ready to take over for the ones who get through the cones.

It's gota be a tough job for the instructors. It's alot to learn but it's also a lot to teach in such a small space of time.
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Went like this.. 43 years old(2013) decided to do CBT to get a 125 for new job. Bought 2011 YBR, loved it for three months then hated it because it was too god damn slow. Did DAS 4 months later then bought RF600 Loved it, sold it bought Bandit 1200(K3). EFFIN lOVED IT. Wanted something a bit more sporty so got Triumph Sprint ST 955i (53). Not sporty enough so now on my GSXR 1000 K3 and absolutely love it. 1 year down the line, nearly died way too many times on this bike. Sold it. Had a 6 month break. Missed biking so now, Aug 2019 have a 1999 ZX9r. What a beauty she is too.

[yen_powell]

[TheGazWaz]

Unfortunately this wasn't the case for my son. We paid for the whole day but he only got 3 hours into it before they sent him on his way.
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Went like this.. 43 years old(2013) decided to do CBT to get a 125 for new job. Bought 2011 YBR, loved it for three months then hated it because it was too god damn slow. Did DAS 4 months later then bought RF600 Loved it, sold it bought Bandit 1200(K3). EFFIN lOVED IT. Wanted something a bit more sporty so got Triumph Sprint ST 955i (53). Not sporty enough so now on my GSXR 1000 K3 and absolutely love it. 1 year down the line, nearly died way too many times on this bike. Sold it. Had a 6 month break. Missed biking so now, Aug 2019 have a 1999 ZX9r. What a beauty she is too.

[NJD]

So what's the schools position on welcoming him back for another attempt to get on the road for the "on the road" element of the C.B.T? Are they asking for a fee, for example? The C.B.T isn't a test and can't be failed, but policy for each school in this case varies.
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[P.]

£160 for a CBT...

[ThunderGuts]

The only truly legal option is private land, ideally a field so if he drops it he is unlikely to hurt the bike or himself. Obviously you need the owner's permission and you need to get the bike and him there.

Other option is does your work have an enclosed car park? Or know a mate that owns somewhere that does? If it's gated off from the highway I doubt it'd be treated as an extension of such (unlike supermarket car parks which are accessible to the public). That said, the premises owner might be wary as they won't want your son putting the bike through their business' front door!
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TG.

[bhinso]

This is a very contentious legal issue. If in doubt you have to assume its not private land.
I seem to remember the definition is to do with the Royal Mail, public land is accessible by the RM, hence even your own driveway is NOT private land, and this issue is resolved by private land owners fencing off their land with a mailbox on the outside.
Private land must be fenced off and the boundaries defined as such.

[Tdibs]

Learned to ride the bike by my dad taking me to a empty dirt car park and doing laps of it on his bike.

Just find the right spot where you are not getting in the way or liable to damage anything.
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