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£160 for a CBT... |
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Here's how the HSE see it:
Quote: | The Road Traffic Act
10 The Road Traffic Act 1988 as amended (RTA) applies to England, Scotland and Wales. In simple terms, the Act applies to vehicles on the road where the public have access, however in practice this can be a complex matter to resolve.
11 The Act contains definitions of a number of terms including that of a “road”. For England and Wales, Section 192(1) of the Act defines a “road” as: “any highway and other road to which the public has access and includes bridges over which a road passes.” For Scotland, Section 192(2) of the Act defines a “road” as having the same meaning from the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984 being: “any way (other than a waterway) over which there is a public right of passage (by whatever means) and includes the road's verge, and any bridge (whether permanent or temporary) over which, or tunnel through which, a road passes, and any reference to a road includes a part thereof”.
12 The Road Traffic Act 1991 extended the scope of dangerous driving to include “other public place” as well as “road”. Further guidance on the 1991 amendments can be found in OC 789/4.
13 There is a significant amount of case law in respect of what is a “road”, “public access” and “other public place”, however it is likely that the RTA applies if the answer is ‘yes' to the following:
- Is it a road?
- Do the general public (see paragraph 14) have access? Most Port Authorities have a statutory duty to ensure free access to a dock or quayside.
- Is the access at least tolerated by the owner or proprietor of the road in question?
14 Care must be taken to prove that the general public have access, and not merely a special class of general public e.g. access is only permitted to those visiting the docks on business. If only a special class of general public is permitted access, it is likely that the RTA does not apply, however legal advice may be required. |
However this only applies to any offences relating to the RTA. There are further considerations regarding liability, trespass etc.
My drive is not a road - for example I can legally keep a SORNed car on it - but I still have a duty of care to anybody using it.
In reality there are few easily-accessed places where an unlicensed driver or rider can legally drive or ride a vehicle. A friend or relative with a field is your best bet. ____________________
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TheGazWaz wrote: | I'm sure that if you pass on a none geared bike you can only ride a none geared bike and he doesn't want a scooter. |
Combing a response to this quote and your response to my comments above:
You're thinking of the full license.
The schools response is a bit silly buggers. "Yes you can have the two hours on the road at no extra cost but must pay us more money to prove you can have those two hours for free despite already having paid us £160."
How much are they asking, and is it defined on their website cost page? Say they want £100 for the morning part again I'd just ask for the £60 back if they are not willing to let you put him in on a twist and go subject to you training him in private.
I mean it is their business, and insurance; and the road element is always subject to them being happy your not going to spanner the bike but you've lined their pockets to the value of £260 and from the other side of the screen that isn't exactly cheap by any means. Its not him, its their business approach and costs.
You can't win either way. You need to decide if you can reach a medium with them, get the money back or go elsewhere for cheaper.
All comes down to how much more they want, and if you're willing to pay that. And if you do I'd go on a scooter so he's only got to cover the basics, and then teach him yourself which is a bit nuts but what he'd be doing by riding unaccompanied with L plates anyway.
As a reference I just looked at my local school I used and their cost is £180, and £130 for the next school on the list. Wild prices. *promises never to loose license at those figures * ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 207 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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