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PostPosted: 21:39 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: wr125x cam chain tensioner Reply with quote

I took my bike to a garage regarding knocking in the engine and they have said it's the cam chain and have quoted me a bill, but they said they cant just adjust the tensioner as it's "self tensioning" does anyone know if this is true?

Yamaha WR 125x 2010, 16,000 Miles


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PostPosted: 22:19 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most stock tensioners (technically tensioner “lifters”) are automatic, but you can get manual ones for a lot of bikes. What did they quote for exactly? Just replacement of the part? They can go bad after a while and allow the chain to rattle, especially as you’re coming off the throttle.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Most stock tensioners (technically tensioner “lifters”) are automatic, but you can get manual ones for a lot of bikes. What did they quote for exactly? Just replacement of the part? They can go bad after a while and allow the chain to rattle, especially as you’re coming off the throttle.


Originally we thought it was tappets, so we did the valve clearances but it changed nothing, now everytime I ride it's gotten really bad and it's constant knocking and sounds like clunking in the engine, they quoted me the part costs and to fit the parts, they've said I will need a new tensioner as its to the end of it's adjustment (they said) a new cam chain and the slides for the cam chain
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No fuckin bike info again
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
No fuckin bike info again


Just to expand on the comment of my esteemed fellow forum member... Wink

It would help to know the Make/Model/Year/Mileage when it comes to engine wear and maintenance questions!
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
No fuckin bike info again



I have updated it, apologies
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 04 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
No fuckin bike info again


Just to expand on the comment of my esteemed fellow forum member... Wink

It would help to know the Make/Model/Year/Mileage when it comes to engine wear and maintenance questions!


I have put those in Smile
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly did he diagnose and quote other than “parts and fit parts”?

Cam chain rattle is usually a “ball bearing in a can” noise when letting off the throttle.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
What exactly did he diagnose and quote other than “parts and fit parts”?

Cam chain rattle is usually a “ball bearing in a can” noise when letting off the throttle.


He said that the cam chain tensioner was to the end of it's adjustment and the cam chain was worn out, he also said because the cam chain is so loose I will need new slides and if I continue to ride it, it could snap which will be a whole engine rebuild.

The noise starts as soon as the bike is turned on, it has now got to the point where when I use the throttle it feels as if im in the wrong gear, even though I may only just be pulling off in 1st
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I doubt the cam chain would spontaneously snap. It could however jump a tooth leading to terrible performance and eventual lob a valve into the cylinder... which you still wouldn't want Smile Have you being checking/changing the oil regularly?

16,000 miles doesn't sound like a lot of miles to wear out the actual chain and associated sprockets. It does however sound like the sort of time a tensioner would fail. You'd also replace the chain guides as needed if they're showing a lot of wear.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I doubt the cam chain would spontaneously snap. It could however jump a tooth leading to terrible performance and eventual lob a valve into the cylinder... which you still wouldn't want Smile Have you being checking/changing the oil regularly?

16,000 miles doesn't sound like a lot of miles to wear out the actual chain and associated sprockets. It does however sound like the sort of time a tensioner would fail. You'd also replace the chain guides as needed if they're showing a lot of wear.


Yes I've been doing the oil regularly and have been checking it, He has said it's a good idea to change out the chain as we will have to change the guides anyways, he did say about the valve going into the cylinder also.

I will say I rode it maybe 2 days ago and the performance was awful, I'd open the throttle but I was getting absolutely nothing from it, felt like I was in a high gear while taking off
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explain exactly how you did the clearances.

A cam chain should be good for close to 100k. At 16k the guides wont even be worn.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Explain exactly how you did the clearances.

A cam chain should be good for close to 100k. At 16k the guides wont even be worn.


The garage I took it to, he said as the cam chain is so loose it'll probably of destroyed the guides this is why he said just change the tensioner, chain and guides.

To do the clearances we set it to TDC and then done them to the correct spec which was 0.10 - 0.14 and 0.20 - 0.24

I didn't personally do any of the work as I don't know much about how to fix things especially when it comes to an engine
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guides maintain tension (the tensioner pushes against one) so the chain being loose damaging them sounds like bollocks to me.

Has the tensioner been taken out to check it's not seized?
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 05 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly something is up.
Either the garage is wrong - if the performance of the bike dropped immediately after they did the valve clearances then this is possible - or the bike has had a very hard life to wear out a cam chain in 16k and the rest of the engine isn't far behind.

Of course if the chain is that stretched, it could have jumped a tooth which would explain the lack of performance. The bike should not be ridden or started in that state.

Still sounds off though. Camchains wearing out is one of those 1980s bogeyman things that is incredibly rare now.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
The guides maintain tension (the tensioner pushes against one) so the chain being loose damaging them sounds like bollocks to me.

Has the tensioner been taken out to check it's not seized?



He did not take the tensioner out, he just undone a screw or something on the tensioner and then said all of this stuff
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Certainly something is up.
Either the garage is wrong - if the performance of the bike dropped immediately after they did the valve clearances then this is possible - or the bike has had a very hard life to wear out a cam chain in 16k and the rest of the engine isn't far behind.

Of course if the chain is that stretched, it could have jumped a tooth which would explain the lack of performance. The bike should not be ridden or started in that state.

Still sounds off though. Camchains wearing out is one of those 1980s bogeyman things that is incredibly rare now.



The bikes performance did not change after the valve clearences were done, however it changed about 2 days ago when I was riding, and since then the clicking/knocking got really bad so I rode home and haven't started the bike since
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Certainly something is up.
Either the garage is wrong - if the performance of the bike dropped immediately after they did the valve clearances then this is possible - or the bike has had a very hard life to wear out a cam chain in 16k and the rest of the engine isn't far behind.

Of course if the chain is that stretched, it could have jumped a tooth which would explain the lack of performance. The bike should not be ridden or started in that state.

Still sounds off though. Camchains wearing out is one of those 1980s bogeyman things that is incredibly rare now.



I will add, as you said the rest of the engine isn't far behind, the start motor about 2 months ago pretty much blew up, we took it apart and it was completely burnt out, the water pump stopped working and so did the thermostat, so not sure if these go hand in hand
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PostPosted: 05:51 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

16000..... 2nd time round the clocks?

If it was me I'd get the tensioner of myself make sure it's not just seized.
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my perspective as a pro we see lots of small bike wearing thing out that should last I think is oil or lack ther off mostly

I be compression cheaking engine sadly

Yes cam chains that are rattling do snap I seen lots mostly OK with aftermarket manual tensioners!
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wr125Help wrote:
Robby wrote:
Certainly something is up.
Either the garage is wrong - if the performance of the bike dropped immediately after they did the valve clearances then this is possible - or the bike has had a very hard life to wear out a cam chain in 16k and the rest of the engine isn't far behind.

Of course if the chain is that stretched, it could have jumped a tooth which would explain the lack of performance. The bike should not be ridden or started in that state.

Still sounds off though. Camchains wearing out is one of those 1980s bogeyman things that is incredibly rare now.



I will add, as you said the rest of the engine isn't far behind, the start motor about 2 months ago pretty much blew up, we took it apart and it was completely burnt out, the water pump stopped working and so did the thermostat, so not sure if these go hand in hand


Sounds like you'd be better off getting a replacement engine if you're having all these issues, especially with such a low mileage on it....

You sure you didn’t over-rev it a bunch of times?
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like you'd be better off getting a replacement engine if you're having all these issues, especially with such a low mileage on it....

You sure you didn’t over-rev it a bunch of times?



I've only had the bike around 4 months, I'm pretty sure I've been riding it fine. I was thinking about a new engine but they dont seem to be cheap
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
16000..... 2nd time round the clocks?

If it was me I'd get the tensioner of myself make sure it's not just seized.



16,000 total, would that make a knocking and horrible sound?
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wr125Help wrote:
wr6133 wrote:
16000..... 2nd time round the clocks?

If it was me I'd get the tensioner of myself make sure it's not just seized.



16,000 total, would that make a knocking and horrible sound?


No it wouldn't. Has kramdra been at it?
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 06 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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16,000 total, would that make a knocking and horrible sound?

No it wouldn't. Has kramdra been at it?


I'm not sure who that is, so no
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