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Diggs wrote: | Bhud are you talking about possessory title? One of the tests is whether the land has been fenced off, which is usually the clue when someone is trying this route. Also, I can't see someone trying to claim a track that is well used by all sorts of people, as there has to be a sufficient degree of exclusive physical control in order for angry bloke to be able to claim it. |
Well, yes, either adverse possession or else owning the freehold having bought it. I think it's important to find out if he has any leg to stand on, as people claim all sorts of things when put on the spot. 'Everyone around here knows Bob's land is directly behind his house. Ever since you came along you've caused all this fuss! There were never any problems before you moved in." That's a possible convo with a (tenant) neighbour. Estate agents misinform tenants on purpose, telling them that this or that spot comes with their property, and absent landlords take no interest.
The guy could, honestly or not, claim.that he'd always understood that access rights were only for people on one side of the street, or something. I take your point about the strict tests for adverse possession - it's been a very long time since I studied this stuff. But people lie, and little dominions appear on the ground. It's always nice to have a couple of printouts at hand if you need to persuade a neighbour. |
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Bhud wrote: | Before doing anything, arm yourself .. |
..seems sensible. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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We only got one bike now, but we used to have four or 5, most parked in the street. So, it was quite normal to see other peoples bikes parked near ours, someone visiting someone, oh there are bikes parker there,I
will park up to.Often had a chat with random bikers.
But, There was a neighbour with a bike, would never, ever park next to our bikes. If they could not park on the otherside of the street they'd rather go round the block and park in another street.
Would literally never make eye contact, or look in our direction when getting on their bike. Never waved back, or said hello either. |
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I've nothing too much to add to this thread other than responses at this point in time.
I'll have a look for symbols. I've only actually encountered him on the bike maybe 4 times in 18 months so it's not like he's constantly outside in the lane tinkering. A few times he's been working on his car, but In those instances I've gone around the block rather than attempting to squeeze through.
Sickpup: I leave people good and bad karma- that's what it's there for, I suppose. You have also had good/interesting etc karma from me too.. Simply, sometimes I think you can be a bit harsh on people who just need more time or explanation to understand something. Your 'weight' on the forum is large from your knowlege and experience and you've been here a looooong time, but I don't think that means that some of the below the belt responses given to people just asking for help should be accepted as a trade off for this. I'd give negative karma to anyone who I think is being mean and obscene, even to a veteran like yourself. You say that you're "always up for a bit of conflict". I know this, and just like the chap down the lane, I pondered and thought how best to respond, but I actually clean forgot about your quiry. Either way. Thanks for jogging my memory, my appologies for the late reply, my answer is now said.
Most people would agree that there is little point in asking other people's opinions to an enquiry if ommiting information (for or against) that would be appropriate to the case was done. There is no purpose in that, to my mind. The facts are all here. I go to work, I come back. I tend to use the same route each day as any commuter does. It can be boring, and monotonous and I mix it up as most of us commutor riders would, esspecially in the summer! But we all choose the route that works for us most of the time, and gives us the least delays. Not only does that end of the lane happen to be the direction to which I am going most of the time, but turning onto the main road from that street you would enter onto, is immensely easier to pull out on in busy morning traffic with no obscurred views (unlike the other main road entrance)- It's a safety thing, too..
It's quite obvious the chap has a problem with me. But according to he, in his own words, he didn't divulge at that time that it was anything more than simply using that end of the lane. Maybe he likes only the sound of his own cruiser. When we next meet face to face and looks calm enough, I shall try to ask - my attempts may be rebuffed - who knows until it is attempted.
There are some 'proper' bikers on the street that live opposit me, I think one is a despatch rider because as I've mentioned he comes and goes in the oddest of times but I'm uncertain. He could of course simply work odd shifts. Either way- his bike is very much louder than mine, and he spends minutes idling the bike cold whilst putting on his gear. He lives practically the opposit side of the road from the 'man at the end of the lane'. I put my gear on, start the bike and just ride off without any messing around and with minimal evidence that I was ever even there. Thankfully my bikes have that sort of usability.
Everybody seems to keep to themselves and only my immediate neighbours do I talk to readily- that said, in recent weeks with the weather being not the best, they haven't been in their gardens sitting in the rain like they do when it's sunny. So i've not had any sporadic opportunity to casually bring up any topic concerning the chap down the lane.
As for 'lane'. - It's not a 'track' but a road between two garden walls in a residential street - which is why I stated it's an ordinary sitauation (?). I suppose others might say alley, and maybe in legal terms it is alley.
There are no restrictions put in place. Sometimes you find lanes with gates either end that residents are given keys to by the council (or you have to buy them yourself!)- this is not the case here.
As far as i've examined and enquired with through the official lines of enquiry, the residential lanes here are council owned and are technically classed as a public highway. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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Current: 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 (bored to 295cc) - 38k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 49k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 9k, 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 17k.
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It's a great point - there are always 2 sides to every story. Tbh, I never thought of that in this case, owing to the details (bike type and the man's presentation). Sometimes you have to take an account at face value, and all you can say in response must be qualified as subject to the accuracy and fairness of the account you've been supplied.
It's sometimes said that the things people own end up owning them. I think we can all think of example of people who were perfectly normal, reasonable people with whom we share a lot of interests in common, but who then let themselves get drawn into a line of consumerism/marketing that masquerades as a "lifestyle" choice, or a socio-political statement, or both. Imagine a guy who really likes motorbikes, for example. He's owned several, has enjoyed off-roading and some amateur track stuff. He's been to see the Isle of Man TT a couple of times. Just a normal motorcycle enthusiast from a leafy suburb. Then, one day, he gets himself one of those bikes. He starts watching certain American Youtube channels. It starts to affect his clothing choices. He decides to get himself some tattoos for the first time, and, also for the first time, to let his beard grow out. He can't really answer to himself why he's doing these things, but somehow when he goes into the office, he feels like he's doing something right. Kelly from accounts looked at him a fraction of a second longer as he walked in the door, and he felt absolutely great, in a way he hasn't done since he was in his 20s. He goes home, reads up more, and starts living in an echo-chamber devoted to those bikes. Every day seems less like Orpington on the regular, and more of an adventure. So he buys one of those leather waistcoats/vests, and stitches stuff from Ebay onto it. He's "made it" - he's "progressed", he's "graduated". The entire language of his new uniform and personality has been sold to him on a plate. Now, he doesn't even see sports bikes or adventure bikes. He has no other interests and can talk of nothing else but that company that makes those bikes. It preoccupies his thoughts, day and night.
Sounds ridiculous, right? Well, perhaps we can all think of someone like that. One of the traps that comes with being a bit left behind. No real harm done, unless it completely dominates one's psyche to the extent that underlying personality disorders come to the fore. And, personally, I'm sure they do, in many cases. In some cases, this compounding effect could lead to a bewildering and difficult, but not altogether inexplicable, case. A man who was once reasonable and normal and ignored or overlooked by everybody suddenly emerges as the hard man of Willow Lane. The unrelenting conflict between the world between that man's ears and the reality of seeing a normal person going about their business, or even just being self-confident, or happy and contented, yet riding a bike that isn't one of those bikes. How dare he, what an affront, what an upset to the (un)natural order in which he's so invested, etc. A mental health mess. |
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Easy-X wrote: | I'm minded of the quote from the late, great Groucho Marx... |
I'm with you on that one. I lasted two weeks at the Cubs before I engineered my own 'constructive dismissal', much to the chagrin of my folks who thought they'd found some cheap childcare and a bit of uninterrupted shagging time.
I like Bhud's take on the typical Harley rider - I too know people like that. They tend to be over 50, have a few quid and a wife who tolerates it as a phase. Their bikes plus bits cost 15k, their Harley-brand accessories cost 2k and they stick together as nobody else is really interested. They tend to be ex-sportsbike owners who claim to have seen the light. Each to their own ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 161 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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