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What they should do is design a basic motorbike that is desirable to the motorcycling public and competative with their rivals in both price and performance. They could incorporate new technology and features that were painfully missing from their previous models.
They could take out finance so they can make it on a state of the art production line with computerised just-in-time stock control.
Then in enimitable British fashion, someone could fuck with the prototype so the motor wont fit into the frame without partially dismantling it and instead of checking with anyone, just set the production line going.
They could call it the "Fury". ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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____________________ 2023 DucAudi Mehrstraße V4 Hechte Gipfel - "Objectively the best motorcycle ever produced" - "You can have any colour, as long as it's red"
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Much like with Enfield and Norton, this is good for the UK.
Back in the day, and I suppose a little bit still today, the big Japanese and Italian manufacturers would do their normal bikes, and the occasional ultra-desirable, expensive, limited production run special to keep people interested. None of us could realistically imagine buying such a machine.
Now the Indian-owned old British brands are doing the same thing, but the limited-run specials are just the UK domestic offerings - all of the Nortons, Enfield twin, and now a BSA electric bike. The stuff sold in bulk in India will be basic bikes at a third of the price, we get to buy their loss leaders.
I am looking forward to a volume manufacturer doing an electric bike. |
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I don't think it's good news for anyone. The Mahindra guy is being given taxpayers money to fund a private enterprise, and we all know he isn't going to reinvent the wheel. He's going to open an R&D facility here, but no huge advances on the electric motor or on battery cells will be in the pipeline. I think that would be a very tall order. I find it far more likely that what we can expect is a load of designers coming up with "retro" design concepts around a basic electric motor. Call me cynical, but I think they may as well be fashion designers for a clothing company.
What I would far rather see is investment into researching and developing synthetic clean-burning fuels which can readily be used in normal ICE bikes, without the need for acres upon acres of contaminated land from mining rare earths in the Far East - out of sight but not out of mind. Nor the immense environmental cost of scrapping ICE vehicles (which is bound to happen if they're forced off the road), or of manufacturing and importing electric fuel cells and other components.
I am also perturbed by the fact that BMF, an organisation whose membership comprises mostly owners of ICE bikes, enthuses about this news. Recently, there was news of a courier company in Oxford that had plans to buy an unspecified number of Zero electric bikes (each at £15K-plus) and to hire a team of couriers on £8.70 an hour to ride them. I checked their blog and it seems they are avid advocates of Oxford's new Zero Emissions Zone - i.e. they want to ban ICE bikes from Oxford city centre. And why not, eh. After all, if they're the only ones with electric fleet bikes at their disposal, everyone will have to get their pizzas delivered by them. Good for business. I rather suspect that MAG and BMF have the same sort of plan in mind, being as they're about "powered two-wheelers" and not motorcycles per se. They're rather quiet about pedestrianisation and things like that, aren't they. I think the electric scooterist is probably the "new" customer base.
What I'm getting at is, we're all Indians now. It started with the inner city moped crime wave, which has now spread to all major towns in the country. They ride through red lights, ride on the pavements, etc. and the police don't want to know. That's how it started, and now you see the same thing with electric scooters being ridden in an unlawful manner, in contravention of all rules of traffic. In other words, our roads system is regressing to a lesser regulated and lesser policed state reminiscent of developing countries. A lot of these countries simply leapfrogged an industrial age infrastructure stage. For example, some SE Asian countries that didn't have an expensive potable water mains system in their cities simply omitted it altogether, substituting a cheaper "groundwater" solution, and the people there drink bottled water to this day. In other countries, hotels were developed without an underground waste/sewage system, so a road transport haulage solution (from tanks) was hastily devised. In other countries, there was no countrywide landline telephone network, and they simply went straight to 3G. The list goes on. Now, the tables are turned and our road and traffic systems are being quietly offlined to support the general chaos of low power output low range electric vehicles.
In summary I find that it's unlikely that whatever electric vehicles "BSA" may develop will be aimed at motorcyclists, as such. I think it will be for a different sort of crowd altogether. It's even possible that private ownership of whatever they're selling won't be on the cards, and that they'll simply be electric bicycles owned and leased for hire by local councils, or similar. |
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Remember though, BSA is an armaments manufacturer who branched out into bicycles. Motorcycles came later.
Pretty sure they never stopped making guns.
You could say electric bicycles would be closer to their roots than motorcycles. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Now the Indian-owned old British brands are doing the same thing, but the limited-run specials are just the UK domestic offerings - all of the Nortons, Enfield twin, and now a BSA electric bike. The stuff sold in bulk in India will be basic bikes at a third of the price, we get to buy their loss leaders.
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Everything RE sell in the UK is sold (cheaper) in India, there are no UK factory specials as far as I know. I don't think (beyond a little prestige) they actually care all that much about the UK market, hence it being handled by an importer not by RE.
I'd bet the BSA thing is a bit of a scam. R&D centre, electric vehicles = tax payers money and probably very favourable tax terms.
Quote: | The new BSA Company plans to start with assembling traditional internal combustion engine bikes costing between £5,000 and £10,000 with parts from various suppliers in the UK and beyond. |
Source https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/16/bsa-electric-bike-motorcycles-uk
Spend ages designing some electric Unicorn while punting out ICE bikes in volume using the nostalgia of the badge, kind of like RE but minus the unbroken heritage. |
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With this just appearing:
Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
And for purely selfish reasons I dug out this earlier article:
Government confirms motorbikes not included in 2035 petrol ban
tl;dr The government was going with 2040 then 2035 in the summer and now considering 2030... for cars and light vans. Apparently 'cos electric motorcycles are a bit crap and there being a lot less ICE bikes than cars the government has taken pity on the market. This sounds suspiciously sensible
Therefore, one might be forgiven for hoping BSA cocks it up royally ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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And why would Shell and the like supply petrol for just motorbikes. Maybe diesel will last longer as diesel plant will still be operating for lorries, agriculture and shipping so perhaps someone could develop a light diesel bike.
2030 is nine years away. I just cannot see it working without huge investment but we shall see. I'll be stocking up on diesel for my boats before then just in case. It will be good practice for when the zombie apocalypse happens. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 156 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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