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PostPosted: 09:21 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: A2 "forever bike"? Reply with quote

If you had to keep one A2 compliant bike for ever as a second bike, what would it be?

I'm about to get my A2 license which I will be stuck on for 2 years. I want to make the bike "mine" and customise it a bit which will ruin the resale value, so I want to keep the bike even after I get my full license. So, what would make a fun "second" bike?

I'm considering either DRZ400 so that I always have a fun adventure bike for some light offroading, or, a CB400f so that I have a fun cafe racer (hence why it would be a second bike). Obviously one day I will want a big bike (Tiger 800 looks appealing. Comfortable, powerful, pratical) but they say its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. So... yeah... what A2 bike would you have most fun on?
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an all rounder - honestly, I'd have the Interceptor 650. Rode one out in the mountains of Andalusia and just felt instantly at home on it. Couldn't see an issue with it being a Sunday morning toy - especially when cheaper upgraded suspension becomes available - and I'd happily go tour somewhere on it, too.

It's cheap, good to look at, has a bit of soul and would do the job I need it for.

Whether it'd rot out or fall to bits underneath me, who knows.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, as above, or an A2 Street Twin. They're lovely out of the factory, but with a decat, flyscreen and a few other tweaks they're bloody gorgeous.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
Yep, as above, or an A2 Street Twin. They're lovely out of the factory, but with a decat, flyscreen and a few other tweaks they're bloody gorgeous.


That's another good shout.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't rode the RE (although I imagine it's similar), but with the ST it's capacity and torque means you don't really feel like it ever lacks power either; burbling away from idle offers plenty of punch and actually in real world riding is far more flexible than a lot of more powerful machines (my old Street Twin, which wasn't the A2 but was the pre-facelift with 54bhp so not much over) would probably show a clean set of heels to my VFR on a roll-on of power when cruising about; different story once the revs climb of course. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Re: A2 "forever bike"? Reply with quote

CorriganJ wrote:
If you had to keep one A2 compliant bike for ever as a second bike, what would it be?

I'm about to get my A2 license which I will be stuck on for 2 years. I want to make the bike "mine" and customise it a bit which will ruin the resale value, so I want to keep the bike even after I get my full license. So, what would make a fun "second" bike?

I'm considering either DRZ400 so that I always have a fun adventure bike for some light offroading, or, a CB400f so that I have a fun cafe racer (hence why it would be a second bike). Obviously one day I will want a big bike (Tiger 800 looks appealing. Comfortable, powerful, pratical) but they say its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. So... yeah... what A2 bike would you have most fun on?


You will get bored, so don't plan for anything to be a "forever" bike, at least it's never happened to me.

ZX7R came close, if it wasn't for the horrific comfort I would probably still have one.

I'd prob go for an Mt07 though, assume that is A2 compliant.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, consider something restricted down to A2 which you can then convert back to A later. Congratulations! Your list is now over half the bikes in existence Smile
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aprilia RS660, it's almost too easy an answer to the question.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new Triumph Trident. Obviously I've never owned one bit I've owned 5 Triumph triples and love the engines.

I reckon it would be better than a restricted Striple simply because Triumph have designed the A2 limitations into it rather than it being an afterthought.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming A2 is the 47hp licence, it would be either a Triumph street twin, Guzzi V7, Enfield interceptor or Harley 883.

Their styling isn't going to get old(er), the power is enough for the chassis so they don't feel slow, and there are enough performance/tuning/styling parts available to get it how I want it.

Remember that for me, "forever" in bike terms means about 3 years.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a forever bike, you want it to be 94bhp and restricted so you can derestrict it later. Hence Aprilia RS660. Fast enough, lightweight, not too uncomfortable, practical, good handling, good looking. Shame it's £10k but most people buy new on PCP these days so it doesn't matter too much.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it would have to be a bike with a simple and reliable engine with no real weaknesses, with reasonably good quality parts. Unmistakeable 80s looks would be a big plus. Narrow enough to filter to get to the nice places to ride (B-roads), and providing a decent level of melodrama (sound and vibration) to keep it interesting, raw and bike-like over a long period of time, without it being so crude it's annoying or tiring. I'm not restricted to A2 but if I were, I would probably have something along the lines of the late 80s CB350SG.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Re: A2 "forever bike"? Reply with quote

CorriganJ wrote:
I want to make the bike "mine" and customise it a bit which will ruin the resale value, so I want to keep the bike even after I get my full license.

Just keep your customisations to stuff which can be reinstated to stock when you sell the bike, and sell the 'customisations' separately. So, 'no' to funky paint jobs and chopping bits off the frame with a hacksaw and 'yes' to aftermarket seats, luggage, handlebars etc where you can keep the original kit safely stashed away.

The hang on and buy your forever 'A' bike later.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda CB500x is a great bike. Comfortable, economical, reliable, good looking, well priced.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to the CB500X.

I would happily have another one of these as a forever bike. Never needed anything more than a 500 myself as they do everything I want.

Probably makes me a boring old git.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinW wrote:
Honda CB500x is a great bike. Comfortable, economical, reliable, good looking, well priced.


I second this. Probably going to get slated for it being a boring choice but as a good allrounder this would be my first choice. I think a CB500X would be hard to beat. Right on the power limit, lightweight, comfortable, luggage accessories available, tall screen, confidence-inspiring riding position and handlebar setup, narrow enough to filter round town. Very nice allrounder.

However it doesn't sound like you're after an allrounder. You say you want it to be your "forever second bike". You WILL get bored of bikes so your first/main bikes will come and go but yeah as a second/weekend bike to keep for a long time I like the idea of the DRZ400, something cheap and fun to chuck around when you get bored of big power. Something quirky and lightweight. Personally I'd plump for the WR450F over the DRZ400 as it's got EFI but from my limited window shopping experience the DRZ400s are prolific and a used WR450F is like rocking horse shit.

EDIT: reavsie got their post in before me so I'm not seconding the CB500X, I'm thirding it.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Grey import 400. Best to get one while you can as the prices are going up absurdly at the moment. You won't lose any value on your investment.

Actually, are you allowed to even use an 4cyclinedr 400 with an A2 license?

4 cylinder screaming CBR400 Babyblade, better fun than modern bikes I would think.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just keep my 612 Enfield Bullet thanks.

if I was buying new, I'd give serious consideration to one of their new interceptors.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 17 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ400 seems like a good choice. It's different enough from most road bikes to justify keeping as a second bike for when you want to go off road and I've seen a lot of people say they like them so much that's exactly what they do.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A forever bike for me (which I don't think actually exists in my case) would need to be something I'd never get tired of looking at or riding. CB500X . . . yes it's a great commuter and practical bike, but when I rode it I found it a bit soulless. It wasn't that it wasn't powerful enough, didn't handle well enough or wasn't comfy enough - it just was a bit uninteresting. For me, at least - all these things are subjective. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
A forever bike for me (which I don't think actually exists in my case) would need to be something I'd never get tired of looking at or riding. CB500X . . . yes it's a great commuter and practical bike, but when I rode it I found it a bit soulless. It wasn't that it wasn't powerful enough, didn't handle well enough or wasn't comfy enough - it just was a bit uninteresting. For me, at least - all these things are subjective. Thumbs Up


Yeah, the 47hp on my Rebel's starting to grate a bit now Sad
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:

Yeah, the 47hp on my Rebel's starting to grate a bit now Sad


Although in all honesty, on the publics roads, you'd be doing seriously well to utilise all of those ponies for more than 10 seconds. There was an article a while back where they took a load of powerful bikes out and gave them to a racing rider (I think) and got him to rag them as much as he could around some country roads. The bikes were all fitted with power meters and the actual power used was pretty low on the whole.

Edit: found the article:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/blog/how-much-horsepower-does-my-bike-use
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:

Although in all honesty, on the publics roads, you'd be doing seriously well to utilise all of those ponies for more than 10 seconds. There was an article a while back where they took a load of powerful bikes out and gave them to a racing rider (I think) and got him to rag them as much as he could around some country roads. The bikes were all fitted with power meters and the actual power used was pretty low on the whole.

Edit: found the article:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/blog/how-much-horsepower-does-my-bike-use


Yeah but it's about how the power is delivered too... There is definitely a 'fun' sweet spot, but it's higher than 47bhp sadly. It's between 70 and 120bhp IMO.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="MarJay"]
ThunderGuts wrote:

Yeah but it's about how the power is delivered too... There is definitely a 'fun' sweet spot, but it's higher than 47bhp sadly. It's between 70 and 120bhp IMO.


Yeah I'd agree generally, although power delivery is everything like you say; my Street Twin (at 54bhp) was great fun because the power came in a big lump accompanied by a deep burble. It made launching out of bends great fun although was perhaps a tad lacking on faster overtakes. My VFR by comparison needs revs to really get the most out of it, but obviously gives a lot more when you do. Just looked it up, despite the VFR making almost exactly double the power of the ST, it has slightly less peak torque.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 18 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
If it's a forever bike, you want it to be 94bhp and restricted so you can derestrict it later. Hence Aprilia RS660. Fast enough, lightweight, not too uncomfortable, practical, good handling, good looking. Shame it's £10k but most people buy new on PCP these days so it doesn't matter too much.


Isn’t the RS660 100hp, so too powerful for A2?
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