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PostPosted: 12:33 - 22 Nov 2020    Post subject: Newby - bike registration advice Reply with quote
Hi, i'm new to the forum and new to bikes. I'm currently in the process of trying to get my Stomp pit bike on the road but had my v55 tax form rejected because they want proof of date of manufacture. When i rang Stomp they said they wouldn't provide it for some reason(ive forgotten why). Has anyone had the same issue or have any advice on obtaining DOM? cheers
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 25 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
It may be because the pit bike isn't type approved for road use in the EU/ UK, so it's Ok for off road , but on road , no.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 25 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
You probably have to have it SVA'd I did once on a Honda Dax-A-Like.A right royal PITA.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 26 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
steve the grease wrote:
It may be because the pit bike isn't type approved for road use in the EU/ UK, so it's Ok for off road , but on road , no.


Thanks for the reply. Yeah i seem to think this is along the lines of what the guy from Stomp said on the phone but i don't really understand as i have seen them on the roads and there's countless vids of 'road legal pitbikes' on youtube etc. Not sure why Stomp would have an issue with it as long as you've gone through the correct processes?
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 26 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You probably have to have it SVA'd I did once on a Honda Dax-A-Like.A right royal PITA.


Thanks for the reply. Yes i have heard of this and that it's best to be avoided if possible. Is it the cost or the difficulty of passing that makes it a pita? It seemd ridiculous that i've got to go through all this just to get proof of date of manufacture. There must be a simpler way surely?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 26 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Posts in this thread might be helpful: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=33452

It's an old thread but I don't think the rules will have changed much if at all. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 26 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
ren_hoek wrote:
'road legal pitbikes'


back in the day, I had a mate who had a race Laverda. He reckon the number plate was off a cortina.

'Road legal Pitbikes' arer probably very similar.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 26 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Look at it from the DVLA's point of view...

You present a vehicle you want certified as safe to use on a public highway. They'll at least need definite information of the manufacturer, model and year to check if it's already on their database. That's only the start of the journey of course, there will probably be some mods you'll need to do to the bike to make it roadworthy.

You might want to try contacting whomever you bought the bike from (assuming it's a UK-based business) to see if they can assist.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
ren_hoek wrote:
'road legal pitbikes'


back in the day, I had a mate who had a race Laverda. He reckon the number plate was off a cortina.

'Road legal Pitbikes' arer probably very similar.


Not sure i really follow you here?
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
Look at it from the DVLA's point of view...

You present a vehicle you want certified as safe to use on a public highway. They'll at least need definite information of the manufacturer, model and year to check if it's already on their database. That's only the start of the journey of course, there will probably be some mods you'll need to do to the bike to make it roadworthy.

You might want to try contacting whomever you bought the bike from (assuming it's a UK-based business) to see if they can assist.



I thought the MOT was enough to show its road worthy. The date of the bike is also on the NOVA certificate which i got. All of this was sent off with the V55 which as i said got rejected on the basis of no 'proof of date of manufacture'. I don't understand why it has to be so confusing and complicated. I bought the bike second hand off fbk.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Also... i was under the impression if you have no proof of date of manu you get put on a Q plate. I included a note with my v55 application stating i would like to register on a 'Q' plate so why they still asking for DOM??
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
ren_hoek wrote:
A100man wrote:
You probably have to have it SVA'd I did once on a Honda Dax-A-Like.A right royal PITA.


Thanks for the reply. Yes i have heard of this and that it's best to be avoided if possible. Is it the cost or the difficulty of passing that makes it a pita? It seemd ridiculous that i've got to go through all this just to get proof of date of manufacture. There must be a simpler way surely?


My SVA was required as the bike model didn't have a valid EU/CE or whatever approval certificate. The 'DOM' wasn't an issue as far as I know*

Do these Stomps also have the required approval? None of the new pitbike sellers offer them for road use so it seems doubtful.

* during the test which required that I mod the front mudgard to make it less 'sharp', the tester also noted the mirrors weren't fitted. I said didn't realise they were needed. 'Yes', he said and I need to check they are CE marked. 'OK' says I, I'll come back with them tomorrow to show you. (35 mile round trip btw with bike in a borrowed pick up).
'Not good enough' he says they need to be attached to the bike!

I then learned a Dax fits in the back of my mother in laws Citroen Berlingo car... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
ren_hoek wrote:

Not sure i really follow you here?


My point is 'Road Legal' pitbikes proabably aren't.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
A100man wrote:


Do these Stomps also have the required approval? None of the new pitbike sellers offer them for road use so it seems doubtful.



Required approval, what's that? This seems to be more and more complicated with a lot of grey areas. I'm completely new to this and to bikes in general, it's very frustrating how wishy washy the 'process' seems to be. I'm beginning to understand why many don't bother and just ride illegally.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
ren_hoek wrote:

Not sure i really follow you here?


My point is 'Road Legal' pitbikes proabably aren't.


Ah ok. I'm still not entirely sure what you mean but for me all i want is it on the road so that if i get pulled i don't get in trouble... i really don't care for all the official stuff i just want to go out for a ride.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
So i just went to check the chassis number for something and right there on the plate is the date of manufacture, year and month!!! I can't believe i'm such a moron that i didn't realise this before... surely this will suffice as proof for the dvla? If i just resend the V55 with everything i sent before with a photo of the chassis plate with the DOM and i should be good right?
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
ren_hoek wrote:
A100man wrote:


Do these Stomps also have the required approval? None of the new pitbike sellers offer them for road use so it seems doubtful.



Required approval, what's that? This seems to be more and more complicated with a lot of grey areas. I'm completely new to this and to bikes in general, it's very frustrating how wishy washy the 'process' seems to be. I'm beginning to understand why many don't bother and just ride illegally.


EU 168 ..
https://www.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/vehicle-type-approval/type-approval-for-motorcycles

If you were told it's easy to register it for the road I think you've been 'mis-sold'.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
ren_hoek wrote:
So i just went to check the chassis number for something and right there on the plate is the date of manufacture, year and month!!! I can't believe i'm such a moron that i didn't realise this before... surely this will suffice as proof for the dvla? If i just resend the V55 with everything i sent before with a photo of the chassis plate with the DOM and i should be good right?


You might be lucky or you might still fall into the type approvals trap.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mr Google bring up this..

https://www.wpbracing.co.uk/road-legal-pitbike-stomp-wpb-demon
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
ren_hoek wrote:

Required approval, what's that? This seems to be more and more complicated with a lot of grey areas. I'm completely new to this and to bikes in general, it's very frustrating how wishy washy the 'process' seems to be. I'm beginning to understand why many don't bother and just ride illegally.


I wouldn't call the process of "Type Approval" wishy washy, manufacturers of road bikes have to jump though many hoops to ensure the vehicles they design and manufacture are suitable to be use on the road (lights, indicators, mudguards etc)

The manufactures of pit bikes do not need to go through these hoops, so can produce bikes at a fraction of the cost as they were never intended to be ridden on the road and don't need to be manufactured to the same standards

It might be more cost effective to simply buy a road legal crosser than try to get a bike not designed for road use to be road legal
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
A100man wrote:
ren_hoek wrote:
So i just went to check the chassis number for something and right there on the plate is the date of manufacture, year and month!!! I can't believe i'm such a moron that i didn't realise this before... surely this will suffice as proof for the dvla? If i just resend the V55 with everything i sent before with a photo of the chassis plate with the DOM and i should be good right?


You might be lucky or you might still fall into the type approvals trap.


Ok, hopefully not as they're was not mention of this in the rejection letter, just simply that i need to proove DOM. Unfortunately i've missplaced the nova cert so am hoping hmrc can just send me another but no doubt it'll take an age.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
A100man wrote:
Mr Google bring up this..

https://www.wpbracing.co.uk/road-legal-pitbike-stomp-wpb-demon


Ok this makes more sense, or at least explains why Stomp didn't want to give me the DOM. I wasn't aware of the 'Type Approval' thing. I thought it was just a case of getting MOT and getting it taxed. I did the 'enduro exempt' thing as the chap on youtube suggested but from reading that link i think it would still be technically illegal even if it did get through all the mot/tax etc? Given that most coppers don't know their arse from their elbow i'm sure i can blag it if i ever get stopped.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 27 Nov 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
rpsmith79 wrote:
ren_hoek wrote:

Required approval, what's that? This seems to be more and more complicated with a lot of grey areas. I'm completely new to this and to bikes in general, it's very frustrating how wishy washy the 'process' seems to be. I'm beginning to understand why many don't bother and just ride illegally.


I wouldn't call the process of "Type Approval" wishy washy, manufacturers of road bikes have to jump though many hoops to ensure the vehicles they design and manufacture are suitable to be use on the road (lights, indicators, mudguards etc)

The manufactures of pit bikes do not need to go through these hoops, so can produce bikes at a fraction of the cost as they were never intended to be ridden on the road and don't need to be manufactured to the same standards

It might be more cost effective to simply buy a road legal crosser than try to get a bike not designed for road use to be road legal


No i didn't mean the 'type approval' more the process or lack of to get a bike road legal... i feel like each person has their own way of doing it whereas i was expecting more of a do this, this and this and your good to go if that makes any sense. It's just slow and frustrating if you don't really know what your doing. I think i originally started this process in May!

Yes, in hindsight i would have. I think if this last attempt fails i will sell it and try again. I do like the idea of a pit bike though as it fits nicely in the back of my connect! Smile
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